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To: DvdMom

Some thoughts on Tamiflu -

The research that suggests that Tamiflu is not effective and does not do much for flu, is based on *seasonal flu* studies, not pandemic flu. For H1N1 and H5N1, my understanding is that Tamiflu actually reduces the viral load, which allows your immune system to fight off the virus and secondary infections.

Below are some studies regarding the efficiacy of Tamiflu with H1N1 (and one on H5N1). I believe, personally, the reason that the CDC has told doctors not to rx Tamiflu, is because there is not enough. If your doctor is telling you it doesn’t work, you might want to ask him on what he bases his opinion.

Having said that, there is a study or two (notably the one in Japan) that suggested that Tamiflu can cause depression and thoughts of suicide in teens. I would estimate thousands of courses of Tamiflu have been given to kids since April, and we are not hearing about a huge wave of overwhelming illness and side effects - and in 6 months, we’d be hearing reports by now.

So I suggest, watch what’s going on, and decide for yourself and your family which is the greatest risk, H1N1 or Tamiflu side effects. Decide based on what is happening currently with this flu, not 5 months ago, because flu is dynamic, not static.

Tamiflu is not a shot or vaccine, by the way. Don’t get the two confused. I understand the concerns about the vaccine but we need not to throw out the baby with the bath water.

I personally, will use everything in my “arsenal” if my kids get sick - from Vitamin D3 & C, Elderberry, Oscillium, Tamiflu, you name it because I believe in a multifaceted approach. My approach though, is to avoid infection in the first place, which is why we are SIP for the duration of winter.

Here are the studies:

New England Journal of Medicine, published Oct 12 - The studies were conducted between early March and late August in Canada, Mexico and Australia and New Zealand.

Many patients in all three regions were also given the flu medication oseltamivir phosphate (Tamiflu), with apparent benefit. In the Mexican analysis, critically ill patients who survived were seven times more likely to have received the drug than those who died. http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/10/13/swine-flu-virus.html

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Tamiflu Cuts H1N1 Swine Flu Deaths In Half Vs. No Intervention

Treating the H1N1 novel influenza A Virus or Swine Flu using generic tamiflu and for chemoprophylaxis for those people in contact with infected patients is a most economical tactic for thwarting illness and fatalities in a pandemic of influenza. Research conducted by a Canadian University stated that utilizing supplies of generic tamiflu in enough quantities to treat sixty five percent of a population can potentially slash fatalities by fifty percent. http://www.oseltamivir2.com/tamiflu-deaths/

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Reports of Increased Survival in Bird Flu Patients Taking Tamiflu
BourSonews

3 mars 2008 (PARIS)

BASEL, Switzerland, March 3 /PRNewswire/ — Physicians from countries worst-affected by the deadly bird flu (H5N1 influenza virus) have reported an increased survival rate in patients treated with the oral antiviral Tamiflu (oseltamivir). These data reinforce the World Health Organization (WHO) advisory that Tamiflu is the only antiviral strongly recommended for the treatment of humans infected with the H5N1 virus. The physicians’ report was revealed this week at the International Symposium on Respiratory Viral Infections (ISRVI) in Singapore.(1) http://www.boursonews.com/increased_survival_118493_news-bourse.html


2,725 posted on 10/14/2009 9:59:38 AM PDT by justsaynomore (What we learn from history is that we do not learn anything from history, - George Bernard Shaw)
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To: justsaynomore

Thank you for the informative post on Tamiflu. Our daughter is in a high-risk category, and we have been told she will get Tamiflu at the first sign of ILI. I have concerns about Tamiflu, but in her case, I feel her health risks are far greater without it.

We are doing all the other things mentioned as well, oscillo, vitamins, and even a big pot of homemade French Onion soup with extra garlic ;)


2,726 posted on 10/14/2009 10:07:37 AM PDT by kirdona
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To: justsaynomore; humble and shy

Thanks justsaynomore for the information you posted about Tamiflu in your post to me 2,725

Freeper humble and shy wrote this to me about Tamiful in her post 2, 692
When my son had swine flu about 3 weeks ago, the pediatrician refused to give him the tamiflu because it only works like it’s supposed to within the 1st 24 hours (he’d had a runny nose for 3 days before he got the fever)and he said it comes with all kinds of horrible side effects to the kidneys. It also only reduces the the swine flu by one day - not worth the risk of other health issues the shot posed.

Who are you going to believe?

I wrote to freeper humble and shy that I do believe Tamiflu would have saved this woman ‘s life
Flu Victim Family’s Statement
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-utah-third-deaths-family-statement,0,4966333.story

I also posted to her what I have read before on Tamiflu .

Freeper justsaynomore Have you heard that Tamiflu is bad for the kidney’s like freeper humble and shy posted ????


2,728 posted on 10/14/2009 12:01:08 PM PDT by DvdMom (Freeper Smokin' Joe does the freeper Avian / H1N1 Ping List)
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To: justsaynomore; humble and shy

Ping to freeper justsaynomore Tamiflu informational post 2,725 .


2,744 posted on 10/14/2009 12:42:18 PM PDT by DvdMom (Freeper Smokin' Joe does the freeper Avian / H1N1 Ping List)
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