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Two students, two schools -- 20 miles and a world apart
LA Times ^ | 6/22/09 | Mitchell Landsberg

Posted on 06/23/2009 9:11:09 AM PDT by Mac from Cleveland

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Piece from the LA Times talking about disparities between an upper class suburban public school and an inner city one. The article goes on and on about how much nicer the suburban school is, but actually touches (gingerly) on the most important aspect--the kids themselves and what they and their families bring to the equation--I guarantee-swap the student bodies of these two schools, and the results will be 180 degrees from the current condition.
1 posted on 06/23/2009 9:11:09 AM PDT by Mac from Cleveland
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To: Mac from Cleveland

“It is possible that, growing up in the same metropolitan area, you have never been in the same place at the same time.”

Wow, how astute. lol


2 posted on 06/23/2009 9:12:12 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Mac from Cleveland

I’ll bet they spend more per student in the inner city school than in the suburban school. The big difference is that the inner city school is filled with single parent kids from dysfunctional families on welfare. The big difference is that discipline is non-existent in the inner city school. The big difference is that teachers suffer burnout in the inner city school, and even if they are any good they can do little or nothing to educate the better students, because of all the noise from the hopeless ones.

I’ve known young people who have taught in such schools. Their intentions were good, but in the end it was hopeless. Few teachers can remain in such schools without retreating into their shells and basically giving up, staying on only because they need the money.


3 posted on 06/23/2009 9:18:53 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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What’s with the LA Times today? What are they trying to be a bit fair for ONE Day?


4 posted on 06/23/2009 9:20:28 AM PDT by SanFranDan
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To: Mac from Cleveland

Try bringing up vouchers and school choice and guess which party will send their NEA zealots to La Canada (or any other suburb) and whisper to the locals that their schools will be overrun with Mexicans and/or blacks if school choice passes.


5 posted on 06/23/2009 9:21:57 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Slapshot68
Is this story supposed to have point? Why would a newspaper print it?
Two students from different backgrounds go to different High Schools and don't know each other.
What?
6 posted on 06/23/2009 9:24:37 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: Cicero

I was pretty sure you’d be right about the spending—looked it up.

LA School District is about $9600 per pupil and La Canada (the suburb) is around $7750.

I think Camden NJ—hellhole of the Western World spends around 13k per student -one of the highest in the Northeast—and the results.....not so good, to put it mildly.


7 posted on 06/23/2009 9:26:52 AM PDT by Mac from Cleveland (How to make a small fortune in the Obama era--first, start off with a big fortune....)
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To: Old North State
Two students from different backgrounds go to different High Schools and don't know each other. What?

Their point is that one is the oppressor and the other the oppressed.

8 posted on 06/23/2009 9:27:08 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Mac from Cleveland

Waah waah, class warfare. I read the whole article thinking the author might have a point, but I was wrong. Could be much worse - the inner city kid could have been born in China or India or Africa...oh, but the other kid has a pool - no fair!!


9 posted on 06/23/2009 9:30:38 AM PDT by GnuHere
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To: Mac from Cleveland

If the parents don’t like the schools, why don’t they move to where the schools are better?


10 posted on 06/23/2009 9:36:08 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Waterboarding isn't torture. Listening to Miley Cyrus is torture.)
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To: Cicero
My daughter is in a magnet school, positioned as a classical oassis in a bad part of town. You have to have the grades to just get in. You have to take two years of Latin. And the school is about half "minority". The great thing is, if you are a whiner, a slacker, a troublemaker, or a moron, you are generally gone in a term. The teachers done't have to put up with tough guys, pushers, pimps or goons because the academic system weeds them out; they get to teach to kids who are interested in learning, and who know that a six year term at this school pretty much guarantees SOME scholorship. The parents, and a lot of them are single, are people who EXPECT the kids to do well, and are not spending their time making excuses.

It is sad that all our schools can't be like this, but then, the whiners have to go somewhere...

11 posted on 06/23/2009 9:46:18 AM PDT by 50sDad (The Left cannot understand life is not in a test tube. Raise taxes, & jobs go away.)
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Of the two schools, Jefferson High School probably has the richer musical legacy. Jesse Belvin, Arthur Lee Maye & the Crowns, and the Turks, who were popular during the 1950’s, all came out of Jefferson, as did Richard Berry, who in 1957 wrote and first performed “Louie, Louie,” now a garage-band standard. In 1945, Johnny Otis recorded a tribute to his alma mater entitled “Jeff High Stomp.”


12 posted on 06/23/2009 9:47:07 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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13 posted on 06/23/2009 9:47:14 AM PDT by shag377 (Illegitimis nil carborundum sunt!)
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To: CholeraJoe

Some do.

When enough do, those schools become bad as well.

Amazing what a coincidence it is....

; )


14 posted on 06/23/2009 9:47:26 AM PDT by Mac from Cleveland (How to make a small fortune in the Obama era--first, start off with a big fortune....)
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All the money in the world won’t guarantee good grades from an intelligent student who has been taught by the Democrats that he can’t possibly amount to much because The Man is to blame.


15 posted on 06/23/2009 9:47:47 AM PDT by 50sDad (The Left cannot understand life is not in a test tube. Raise taxes, & jobs go away.)
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One of my grandchildren got into Boston Latin. Otherwise he would have been bussed into a cesspit in Boston, or his parents would have somehow had to send him to private school.

There used to be similar special public schools for bright kids in NYC. I haven’t kept up with it, but I think they have been pulled down and pretty well destroyed by affirmative action—although I’m not certain how it has worked out, since I lost track of it.


16 posted on 06/23/2009 9:53:07 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Fiji Hill
"Louie Louie, me gotta go.

Louie Louie, me gotta go.

A fine little girl, she wait for me.

Me catch the ship across the sea.

I sailed the ship all alone.

I never think I'll make it home.

Louie Louie, me gotta go .

Three nights and days we sailed the sea.

Me think of girl constantly.

On the ship, I dream she there.

I smell the rose in her hair.

Louie Louie, me gotta go.

Me see Jamaican moon above.

It won't be long me see me love.

Me take her in my arms and then I tell her I never leave again.

Louie Louie, me gotta go."

(By Richard Berry. Copyright 1957-1963 by Limax Music Inc)

To each their own--I don't know if I'd call that a masterpiece. Anyway, I'd be happy if they learned to read, write, perform mathematical functions, and act in a civil manner.

17 posted on 06/23/2009 9:56:45 AM PDT by Mac from Cleveland (How to make a small fortune in the Obama era--first, start off with a big fortune....)
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To: Mac from Cleveland
The libtard press can try to blame anyone and everyone. However, the writer reveals the true problem with this quote:

Any visitor to your two schools can't help but notice that the La Cañada students, while hardly perfect, seem more focused, more driven to succeed than the average student at Jefferson. It's something that deeply frustrates Juan Flecha, the Jefferson principal. "They're such nice kids," he said of his pupils, adding: "They're so unmotivated."

18 posted on 06/23/2009 10:44:05 AM PDT by freespirited (Is this a nation of laws or a nation of Democrats? -- Charles Krauthammer)
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Kids in the middle class areas will not destroy the building and the contents anywhere near at the rate of the gangs and stupids in the inner city.

The fools who burned down Watts are still compnaining because a major grocery chain will NOT go back into there.
No insurance company will issue a policy for anything there, either.

Actions have consequences——burn it down and never get it back.....


19 posted on 06/23/2009 11:15:12 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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compnaining”

complaining....


20 posted on 06/23/2009 11:19:22 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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