Posted on 06/23/2009 12:12:45 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
.....and you lack proficient reading skills. You are making baseless assumptions about my statement.
I’m a dudette.
I couldn’t care less what the lefties do. The bottom line is that they will manufacture and spin statements from us anyway, so it doesn’t matter much what we actually say. My point about the ovens is simply that Jews are repeating the same mistake now by trusting ostammer that they made in the 1930s.
It shows you have zero class and even less intelligence. Your points are lost in your filth-laden rants. And even if you do support some of the same causes I do, I would never wish to be associated with someone as ignorant as you.
Just making my peace. No need to reply.
But why Roosevelt? Jews were being massacred while he stood by doing nothing, and the annihilation of Jews was not the reason we entered the war. I’ve heard the explanation before that Jews support rats because they carry affection for Roosevelt because he was the prez who kicked German butt, but Roosevelt didn’t do it for them. The treatment of Jews had nothing to do with why and how we got into WWII.
I see. You’re one of those folks who likes to fire off a little mini-rant with the hope that the recipient doesn’t reply. Well, it didn’t work.
You really need to work on your reading comprehension. Until you improve, you really aren’t fit to converse with. You should go join the whining, bed-wetting lefties who get theiw wittle feewings huwt when a point is made directly and without the politically correct frills and euphemisms your sort so craves.
Your statement stands on it’s own, and your further defense of it show how clueless you are. Your understanding of morality is remarkably lacking.
You blindly voted Democrat last November and this is the result. It's on your head what happens to Israel.
Morton Klein is a Republican. I'd bet the ranch that he voted for McCain last November. So did the Jews here on FR and many more. Not all Jews are addicted to the 'Rats.
What happens to Israel can't be put on the collective "head" of the Jews in the US, anyhow. That's because if you run the numbers, you will see that even if (hypothetically) no Jews had voted at all in the presidential election, the Obamanation still would have won.
"Then the pussy Republicans will just bend over and take it, as usual."
"I like Jewish people, but...I sort of understand how they ended up in the ovens."
"They’re stupid." (speaking of the Jews)
I only had to look through your first few posts to find these tid-bits of idiocy. If you think this is how things are discussed around here, you are mistaken. Perhaps you should get a month of two under your belt first.
Oh, and the whole 'I'm a real conservative and if you don't like it then you must be a leftie!' act is so played out.
Just go buy a cup of decaf and relax. No lady uses language like that. IMHO, of course.
I don’t agree with everything you have there, but is true that most American Jews hold their Judaism, such as it is, in a negative fashion. Judaism is seen as a negation of assimilative influences, rather than as an affirmation of historic Jewish belief and values. Fear of assimilation totally dominates spirit of American Judaism (even as they paradoxically pursue highly assimilative lifestyles), and are bedeviled by a lack of confidence in a positive expression of their own identity. The political result is that they quickly align with those who downplay religion and favor greater secularization. They are under the impression that they are more likely to survive in a completely secularized society.
In Israel, Jews are much more confident in their own identity, whether “religious” or not. They don’t worry much about assimilation, they are who they are, and are comfortable in their own skins.
Every time I go to Israel, I am impressed with the profound difference between the two groups.
Some of the FR posters these days sound awfully and suspiciously liberal. Kinda reminds me of the reading comprehension/dyslexia that most leftist libs have. They can’t comprehend what they’re reading due to the overload of emotion they’re “feeeeling”.
Ignore the handicapped posters. I know what you said and I understood it perfectly. And you’re right. It makes sense that the same mentality that the Jews had back then, under Hitler’s reign of terror, is probably the exact SAME mentality that the Jews that voted for Obama have today. And Obama’s reign of terror is just gettin started.
Thanks justiceseeker93. There are some major bigots who they love to blame the Jews. Seems like they’d be better served over on HuffPo, Kos, or one of the skinhead sites.
Justiceseeker93 is 100% correct.
Morton Klein is a Republican who Rush Limbaugh has praised as a good guy.
Don’t shoot the messenger.
Good grief, though the ZOA doesn't take political positions, they shouldn't, anyone willing to comment who has half a brain knows Morton Klein is a Republican. It's never been a secret.
But he's also a Jew, and like me (don't want to speak for you so I left you out), there are "conservatives" who want nothing to do with his type. It's not about his political positions. It's a fact of life, and if "conservatives" ever want support from the Jewish community they have to get over it. More likely, the GOP has to reject that particular type of "conservative", difficult because the media uses them to hang the tag of bigot on Republicans.
I seriously doubt it.
Honestly, unless your objective is Jewbashing, if you don't know who Morton Klein is or his politics, you should keep your mouth shut.
I’m going to go out on a limb and defend this comment, Although it should have been expressed with greater sensitivity, I happen to believe the poster intended no harm.
The comments I keep hearing from McCain voters in my community is this - we see a parallel with the complacency of many American Jews during the Holocaust, and their persistent love of FDR despite his inaction. (present Jews on this Forum excepted of course)
The rift between the Jews in Israel who overwhelmingly polled as distrusting Obama and the American Jews who voted for him overwhelmingly is the product of a single concept - American Jewsish lives are not on the line. It gives new meaning to Cain - I am not my brother’s keeper.
To me there are three groups of American Jews -
1) those for whom Israel means next to nothing or they are hostile to it. These are probably the most assimilated Jews.
2) the J Street/Israel Forum crowd who profess to care about Israel. But in their version of caring Israel is the wayward child in need of a firm and spanking hand from the US who knows best what is good for Israel. These Jews care equally for the so called human rights of Palestinians as they do for the rights of Israelis to just survive without being wiped out by Iran or terrorism. They are not religious. They are ethnic Jews.
This is the most dangerous group, the group which is giving Obama active cover for his anti-Semitism. They are wealthy and well organized. Their champion is Rahm Emanuel.
3. Leftist religiously affiliated Jews. These are the swing voters. They care about Israel but not enough to have believed the ample evidence of Obama’s hostility to the Jewish State. They were willing to set aside the obvious and risk Israel’s security in order to elect the first Black man and stay with the leftist cause. They do not want the US to tell Israel what to do. They support Settlements, an undivided Jerusalem, and do not trust the Palestinians. But on domestic issues they may be quite left.
It is this group that Morton Klein is talking about. It is this group that supports AIPAC, sends their children to Israel, and may actually admit to their folly, and vote differently next time.
I personally understand the hostility of the non-Jewish Freepers on this site to the American Jewish voters. I don’t blame them. So do numerous Jewish Conservative authors, many posted here, who are decrying the vote of their fellow Jews. We all feel the same way.
I won’t insult these posters’ intelligence or impugn their motives by claiming it is anti-Semitism that makes them rail against the US Jewish vote.
How can I? I feel the same anger and betrayal. I see from their anger caring for the reverse - not just caring for the US but also caring for Israel.
Nevertheless some comments are over the top. It is not ALL Jews. And Jews alone are not responsible for Obama’s election. Please don’t alienate the posters here. We are on the same side.
I appreciate the clarity and detail you provided. That was an excellent post. I have a few questions for you about this:
“3. Leftist religiously affiliated Jews. These are the swing voters. They care about Israel but not enough to have believed the ample evidence of Obama’s hostility to the Jewish State. They were willing to set aside the obvious and risk Israel’s security in order to elect the first Black man and stay with the leftist cause. They do not want the US to tell Israel what to do. They support Settlements, an undivided Jerusalem, and do not trust the Palestinians. But on domestic issues they may be quite left.
It is this group that Morton Klein is talking about. It is this group that supports AIPAC, sends their children to Israel, and may actually admit to their folly, and vote differently next time.”
About what percent of (American) Jewish voters does this group comprise, and what percent of this group do you think will abandon ostammer next election? Also, do you think they might vote Republican for the House and Senate in ‘10?
That’s what I have suspected - that Israel’s struggle is an oddity of the past for many “modern” American Jews. The thing is, their struggle replicates many struggles, albeit with a more fulsome background.
Are you a Bill O’Reilly fan?
I think Morton Klein made it quite evident that he doesn't approve of O's policies in the Middle East.
When you say that the ZOA doesn't take political positions, that may be their policy on paper, but the current circumstances are forcing Klein to bend the "rules," which IMHO is absolutely the proper thing for him to do.
BTW, there are more than enough left-leaning Jewish and Zionist organizations who are supposed to be "non-political" but in practice are anything but.
“...now they’re rethinking their support for Obama during the campaign and the election,”
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Many of my tribesmen traded in their Judiasm for Liberalism, and as a consequent thereof, they have been dumbed down.
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