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To: presidio9

I bet that many do! Apparently social justice — whatever the hell that Marxist crap means — has an equal amount of appeal on Catholics as do pro-life issues. I would have to say that many more Catholics than not embrace most socialist ideas and disdain economic liberty and its outcomes. I could be wrong, but as a Catholic who enjoys discussing issues with others, this anti-market, pro egalitarian sentiment is what I’ve gleaned from fellow Catholics who I’ve talked to.


4 posted on 06/21/2009 8:10:30 AM PDT by LowCountryJoe (Do class-warfare and disdain of laissez-faire have their places in today's GOP?)
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To: LowCountryJoe
I would have to say that many more Catholics than not embrace most socialist ideas and disdain economic liberty and its outcomes.

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness

"...For from the time that the Bishop of Rome had gotten to be acknowledged for bishop universal, by pretense of succession to St. Peter, their whole hierarchy (or kingdom of darkness) may be compared not unfitly to the kingdom of fairies (that is, to the old wives' fables in England, concerning ghosts and spirits and the feats they play in the night). And if a man consider the original of this ecclesiastical dominion, he will easily perceive that the Papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman empire sitting crowned upon the grave thereof. For so did the Papacy start out of the ruins of that heathen power.

The language also which they use (both in the churches and in their public acts) being Latin, which is not commonly used by any nation now in the world, what is it but the ghost of the old Roman language?

The fairies, in what nation soever they converse, have but one universal king, which some poets of ours call King Oberon; but the Scripture calls Beelzebub, prince of demons. The ecclesiastics likewise, in whose dominions soever they be found, acknowledge but one universal king, the Pope.

The ecclesiastics are spiritual men and ghostly fathers. The fairies and ghosts inhabit darkness, solitudes, and graves. The ecclesiastics walk in obscurity of doctrine, in monasteries, churches, and church-yards.

When the fairies are displeased with anybody, they are said to send their elves to pinch them. The ecclesiastics, when they are displeased with any civil state, make also their elves, that is, superstitious, enchanted subjects, to pinch their princes, by preaching sedition; or one prince, enchanted with promises, to pinch another."

(Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan 1651)

8 posted on 06/21/2009 8:19:18 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: LowCountryJoe

What you are saying fits in with a classic book by Max Weber: ‘’The Protestant Reformation and the Spirit of Capitalism’’ (may not be exact title).


17 posted on 06/21/2009 8:44:58 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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