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To: Poe White Trash

Here is the deal, heads I win, tails you lose.

heads: the US aids China against Japan before Pearl.

That would mean Japan may have had a good excuse to attack Pearl and all the US indignation is misplaced.

tails: the US does not aid China until after Pearl.

That would mean the US had nothing but self interest in helping china beat japan.

You won’t win the argument.

The white people in the US have been decent enough, but in the recent past, they have been racist bigots, but not anymore than normal and maybe less than normal.

Get over it, it’s a fact.


46 posted on 06/17/2009 7:51:41 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

What’s that they call white people in China? Oh, it oozes kindness to foreigners. Occidentals. Gweilo’s.

Pfft. My grandparents worked their butts of for very very little money and a shack from the coal company. Cry me a river.


47 posted on 06/17/2009 8:01:27 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism, it's the new black.)
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To: staytrue

>>> heads: the US aids China against Japan before Pearl.

That would mean Japan may have had a good excuse to attack Pearl and all the US indignation is misplaced. <<<

It’s an indisputable historical fact that agents of the US FedGov placed restrictions on Japanese finances, gave support in men and materiel to the KMT, and supported China in many other ways BEFORE America’s entry into the Showa War. What I think of it in light of the attack at Pearl matters little. If you think there’s a case to be made for the Imperial Japanes sneak-attack, please enlighten us.

>>> tails: the US does not aid China until after Pearl. <<<

Why would any sane person who is not woefully ignorant of 20th century history make this argument? It’s simply not true. I would guess that even the most hard-core right-wing Japanese doesn’t believe this.

>>> You won’t win the argument. <<<

Ummm... what argument? I don’t see an argument here — just a statement by you that you don’t want to argue.

Fair enough — but if you continue to misrepresent the historical record, I (and others) will continue to post corrections.

>>> The white people in the US have been decent enough, but in the recent past, they have been racist bigots, but not anymore than normal and maybe less than normal. <<<

“White people”? When I was in Taiwan, me and my paler US friends jokingly referred to ourselves as “honky-ren.” Don’t remember anyone there, friend or stranger, calling me a “white person.” Perhaps they aren’t as race-obsessed as you are.

As for US racism — jackass Californians and their Yellow Peril nonsense — there’s no doubt about it. However, given the long history of not just trade and diplomatic but humanitarian and missionary-based relations between the US and China, I’d claim that THAT racism was only “skin-deep.” The US willingness to support the KMT/China long before Pearl only underscores this.


49 posted on 06/17/2009 8:21:19 PM PDT by Poe White Trash
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To: staytrue

Has there ever been a nation on earth that has excelled China in racism? The Japanese were bad, but they have a shorter history.

By the way, if you folks had dealt with the Huns properly, instead of just walling them out, they wouldn’t have gone to Europe and destroyed the Roman Empire! You really owe us for that!


58 posted on 06/17/2009 9:22:54 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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