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DA says police shooting was justified (4 cops, 1 mentally ill woman with knife)
The Times-Tribune (Scranton PA) ^ | 6/16/2009 | David Singleton

Posted on 06/16/2009 11:17:30 AM PDT by Born Conservative

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To: wbill

Just because someone disagrees with what a cop does doesn’t mean s/he is a Cop Hater......

I would like to remind you there are no perfect people on Earth, so there must not be any perfect Cops on Earth.........people do bad things and break the law..and that includes cops....


41 posted on 06/16/2009 12:21:11 PM PDT by Ecliptic
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To: Tarantulas

Yikes! Got to assume that was done with something like a box cutter. Hope the person who did it is dead.

BTW, pretty interesting website. I’ll be spending some time there. Thanks for posting (despite the gore).


42 posted on 06/16/2009 12:21:45 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - if you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: presently no screen name

Hello PNSN,
Funny how the monday morning Sherlock Holmes subject matter experts on (shoot do not shoot) situations, fail to understand that a LEO is authrorized to use deadly force when a perp has the opportunity, the abilty and places his life or another person’s in in jeopardy.

I have found that the FR has an abundance of metro-sexuals, addled fools, limp wrists, reds, marxist and the other usual suspects, posting about things they know nothing about when it comes to law enforcement.

I think they would have preferred the perp to knife all the officers, then blame the NRA and former President Bush.

Keep the faith.

Respectfully,
NSNR


43 posted on 06/16/2009 12:22:29 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: 5Madman2

Don’t you believe the Jackboots are always right?


44 posted on 06/16/2009 12:24:28 PM PDT by Ecliptic
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To: Ecliptic

“Officer Smith had responded to a similar call two days earlier, on May 26, when he learned Ms. Williams had been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic who had possibly stopped taking her prescribed medication, Mr. Jarbola said.”

Reading problems? When a paranoid schizophrenic stops taking their meds, starts harassing the neighbors, gets naked and starts shouting, screaming and eventually gets a knife........ it’s a fair bet they’re descending into a psychotic episode. That’s what happens when paranoid schizophrenics stop taking their anti-psychotic meds, they become psychotic again.


45 posted on 06/16/2009 12:25:44 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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To: driftdiver

She wasn’t shot because she was suicidal (paranoid schizphrenics are rarely suicidal), she was shot because she was advancing on an officer with a knife, making herself a threat to him and the other officers.

This is what happens when law enforcement intersects with the violently mentally ill population, somebody dies. This time it was the mentally ill person.

The problem is that the dangerously mentally ill cannot be locked up until after they have assaulted or killed someone.

Liberalism kills in many ways.


46 posted on 06/16/2009 12:33:00 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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To: Ecliptic
I agree with you, and there are plenty of threads here on FR where the cop-bashing has been justified...if not welcomed. Sunlight is an excellent disinfectant for the bad apples.

However, for many posters here on FR, there are no good cops, and no cops that do any good.

For instance, she came at them with a knife, and got shot+killed for her efforts. Cop haters say that's bad.

If they had used non-lethal force and tasered her, and she fell on the knife....saidsame cophaters would still have the same opinion. If the cops control the situation, get the woman handcuffed, and have her involuntarily committed....yup, the jackbooted thugs are kicking down doors and hauling innocent people off against their will. If the cops just leave the apartment, and later the woman stabbed herself (or someone else) with a knife....yep, same cophaters would be there with "Why didn't they DO something" comments.

Some people are just irrationally dissatisfied.

47 posted on 06/16/2009 12:36:00 PM PDT by wbill
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To: mgc1122
i'm sorry but how often did anyone pull a knife on andy taylor?

oh, but wait, IT WAS A TV SHOW!

first things first, the cops lost control of the scene. NEVER let an EDP go near the kitchen!

however, she pulled a knife. sorry, lady, i'm not bringing my fists to a knife fight.

48 posted on 06/16/2009 12:36:12 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
HI! Long time no see!

Yeah - they are all brave behind the computer.
49 posted on 06/16/2009 12:36:41 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Mila

Having worked with people w/psych issues, it only takes a second or two and people can change to an extremely aggressive mode. You can’t talk the crazy out of them. You can’t reason with them. 1 full second later, she could have sliced one of the cops.
Legally, she can curse naked in her apt and piss all over the floor ... you can’t 302 her.


50 posted on 06/16/2009 12:40:53 PM PDT by Jath
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To: driftdiver
shooting someone solely because they are suicidal is not right.

Is that why she was shot? She was getting ready to take her own life?
51 posted on 06/16/2009 12:42:08 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: MHGinTN

its not like they were waiting for her to charge them. Alright boys get out the net!!

a taser wouldn’t stop her. Remember Rodney King got hit w/ 2 tasers and then beat off 6 cops breaking the ones’ arm ... BEFORE the camera started rolling


52 posted on 06/16/2009 12:44:24 PM PDT by Jath
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To: presently no screen name

I was called a racist yesterday by one of the prodigal verbage fools. Yes, they hide behind their aegis of the computer monitor.

Good to see you on the site and take care my friend.

Sincerely,
NSNR


53 posted on 06/16/2009 12:45:46 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: driftdiver
The mistake was not keeping her under control. once she had the knife they didnt have much choice.

Right. And it is a very important distiction. Had a big flame war the other day with someone that did not grasp that distinction. The cops screwed up. The point where they screwed up was not from the time she refused to drop the knife until the time she was dead. (assuming they had no Tazers) However, even though that was not the time of the mistake that does not mean they did not make mistakes.
54 posted on 06/16/2009 12:46:37 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: mgc1122

Well, when the only tool you have is a hammer then thats what you learn to apply to all ‘problems’.


55 posted on 06/16/2009 12:56:17 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: TalonDJ
"Mr. Jarbola said he could not speak to the issue of whether the officers were complacent in allowing Ms. Williams to go to her kitchen unsupervised.

"She's not under arrest. It's in her own home," he said. "The officers - I don't know - they could have assumed she was going to the bathroom.""

So the officers made the mistake of respecting her civil rights?

The problem or mistake is not the officers, it's the law in general and the law in regards to the mentally ill in particular.

Liberalism kills.

56 posted on 06/16/2009 12:58:22 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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To: Valpal1

“she was shot because she was advancing on an officer with a knife, making herself a threat to him and the other officers.”

In this case that is what happened. Many other times the suicidal person is only a threat to themselves but still get shot. And I’m not referring to suicide by cop.

In one case SWAT was called because a man was inside his home threatening suicide. he was alone but there were reports of firearms in the home.

SWAT did what SWAT does. 369 rounds later the guy was shot, a cop was shot, and a cop was dead.

The guy never had a gun, the cops shot each other.


57 posted on 06/16/2009 12:58:30 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: presently no screen name

look at the context next time


58 posted on 06/16/2009 1:01:20 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Ecliptic; driftdiver

No I don’t. They have some major league screw ups.

I’ll call them screw ups when warranted.

As opposed to the other that find a Nazi behind every Uniform, and a rights violation behind every action no matter how insignificant.


59 posted on 06/16/2009 1:37:50 PM PDT by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: 5Madman2

“As opposed to the other that find a Nazi behind every Uniform, and a rights violation behind every action no matter how insignificant.”

So why the comments about the cop haters implying that anyone who thinks its wrong to shoot this woman hates cops?

Are we supposed to trust our politicians and other public servants implicitly?


60 posted on 06/16/2009 1:45:48 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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