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Florida Police Fatally Shoot Man in His Bedroom (Administrative leave!!!!)
Foxnews ^ | 6/15/2009 | Staff

Posted on 06/15/2009 7:48:27 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

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To: Red in Blue PA

Was there a tiny dog standing behind the man? Might’ve been what the officers were trying to hit.


121 posted on 06/15/2009 11:20:20 AM PDT by Sir Gawain ("Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect" - Thoreau)
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To: Cathy

Where were their tasers? All tied up taking out 70 year old women?


122 posted on 06/15/2009 11:22:24 AM PDT by Sir Gawain ("Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect" - Thoreau)
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To: thefactor

This guy wanted someone to talk him out of it...but the parents called the wrong parties.That’s a common mistake of us all and it most always turns out a sad situation.

Someone expresses they want to kill themselves and we call someone carrying guns just to get the guy w/a knife to put the knife down.Thus enters 2 “save the day” cops in possibly military swat gear ready to destroy the enemy.

Haven’t seen the story of cops shooting the 92yr old woman...or the 18yr old girl in the park wanting to kill herself w/a pen knife(shot 15 times)...and many,many more stories.

A licence to murder is what local governments have given to a degenerate society of wanta be snakes.


123 posted on 06/15/2009 11:27:19 AM PDT by bobaloobob (bobaloobob)
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To: Sir Gawain

Already been used.

Do you realize not all police officers are issued tasers?


124 posted on 06/15/2009 11:38:24 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: Red in Blue PA; All

21-feet

“It is common knowledge that a suspect, armed with an edged weapon and within twenty-one feet of a police officer presents a deadly threat. Why? Because the “average” man can run that twenty-one feet in about one-point-five seconds; the same one-point-five seconds it will take that police officer to recognize danger, draw and point his weapon, and then pull the trigger. Even if the officer manages to get the shot off, and even if it hits the suspect; even if it instantly disables the suspect, the blade is going to be so close to the officer that the suspect’s momentum may continue forward with enough force for the edged weapon to end up injuring the officer anyway.”

http://www.usadojo.com/articles/21-feet.htm


125 posted on 06/15/2009 11:42:23 AM PDT by donna (Sarah Palin: "...all of us, who consider ourselves progressive...")
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To: TalonDJ

I think the clue here is that he was threatening to kill himself. If a person is going to kill themselves, likely there will be little hue and cry. How do you suppose he conveyed that information to his family, frightened them enough to call the police, who were likely a minimum of some blocks away? This is several minutes of time.

I find it highly unlikely that a drunken schizophrenic threatening to kill himself is going to be quiet or peaceful. The police probably heard him screaming as soon as they entered the house, and automatically pulled their guns. He was probably thrashing about as well, knife in hand, close to incoherent.

In such close quarters, nobody is going to let a lunatic anywhere near them with a knife flailing around.

But, in the final analysis, even if there is much follow up to the story, it won’t contain the emotional impact of what actually happened.


126 posted on 06/15/2009 11:59:58 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Cathy

“Ah well bullets do sorta the same thing. Fire away!”


127 posted on 06/15/2009 12:00:52 PM PDT by Sir Gawain ("Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect" - Thoreau)
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To: thefactor; All

Factor...here’s a good one...one of many right here on FR.

Title:POLICE SHOOT KILL WOMAN WHO THREATENED SUICIDE
March 07,2009


128 posted on 06/15/2009 12:04:51 PM PDT by bobaloobob (bobaloobob)
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To: bobaloobob
"This guy wanted someone to talk him out of it"

congrats on winning my 'post of the day.'

how in the heck do you know that?!? mind-boggling that you are venturing into the mind of a paranoid schitzo and presenting it as fact.

129 posted on 06/15/2009 12:20:20 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor

Thanks for “The Post of the Day” award.

Do you give these out just on weekdays...and weekends to?
I mean there were several days that..well..I had some.. what I thought were some really,really ..outstanding posts.Well..I was just wondering maybe you could go BACK??..(maybe several months)check my posts?

“how in the heck do you know that?!?”

One doesn’t have to have a degree in Psychology to know he hadn’t made the decision to kill himself..or he’d been dead shortly after he picked up the knife.

What’s really mind-boggling is.. you read the same thing everyone else on here read but YES I am venturing into..well..huh?...are you a cop?If you are ..you don’t apparently realize WE the public have a problem w/YOU..the COP continually being the “PER-PE-TRAT-OR.”

If your not a cop...and and don’t read much news...well...(I’ll give that much),but if you read news about current happenings w/law enforcement today and still can’t make a decision between what’s right and what’s wrong?..your just too dumb to talk to.Of coarse..then..this is just a Blog where people speculate on news all the time..or we wouldn’t have a need to to talk about it...now would we?


130 posted on 06/15/2009 1:49:17 PM PDT by bobaloobob (bobaloobob)
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To: thefactor
All certainly true. Mistakes were made if/when people moved withing lunge range of him. Assuming other people had already left the house the best thing would have been to discuss with the guy from a distance. Putting themselves within stabbing range got the guy killed. I don't fault the cops for defending themselves. I fault them for making choices that made it necessary to defend themselves. If (assumption on my part) only the knife guy was in the room then they should have stayed out of it. Instead (apparently) they put themselves in a situation where they had to defend themselves. Who was served by that? Who was protected by that? Themselves?
131 posted on 06/15/2009 2:03:25 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: donna
It is common knowledge that a suspect, armed with an edged weapon and within twenty-one feet of a police officer presents a deadly threat.

Cops know this. Which is why I argue that a Cop deliberately putting himself within 21 feet (that is only for a straight line run BTW) of a knife armed guy, who is not currently threatening someone (assuming that was the case (no, himself does not count)) then that Cop is deliberately subjecting himself to a deadly threat. This blows the 'self defense' excuse. If I as a citizen go into a bar and pick a fight I can't claim self defense if I have to shoot someone in order to not get stabbed of beaten.
132 posted on 06/15/2009 2:11:50 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: donna
It is common knowledge that a suspect, armed with an edged weapon and within twenty-one feet of a police officer presents a deadly threat.

Cops know this. Which is why I argue that a Cop deliberatly putting themselve within 21 feet (that is only for a straight line run BTW) of a knife armed guy, who is not currently threatening someone (assuming that was the case (no, himself does not count)) then that Cop is deliberately subjecting himself to a deatly threat. This blows the 'self defense' excuse. If I as a citizen go into a bar and pick a fight I can't clain self defense if I have to shoot someone in order to not get stabbed or beaten.
133 posted on 06/15/2009 2:12:38 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ

The average living room is 16’ x 16’. What’s a cop to do?


134 posted on 06/15/2009 3:32:17 PM PDT by donna (Sarah Palin: "...all of us, who consider ourselves progressive...")
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To: Cathy

Reading the article and noting they were called to save the guy they decided to shoot is crystal ball analysis?

Are you on the Pulitzer committee?


135 posted on 06/15/2009 4:00:26 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: thefactor; Cathy
how are you supposed to save the life of some guy with a knife who refuses to drop it? sounds like a guy who does not wish to be saved.

Well in most places the procedure is to call in a specialist who is trained to talk people down. But I suppose the way you, Cathy, and these guys prefer (just shoot 'em) is cheaper.

136 posted on 06/15/2009 4:14:45 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: thefactor
The police are not judge, jury and executioner, if they think that then the public needs to apply the brakes.
137 posted on 06/15/2009 5:38:37 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

Unfortunately, we are at a point in this country where ‘not complying with orders’ is an executable offense. No trial needed, because some Offical of the State may have felt threatened.


138 posted on 06/15/2009 6:58:20 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (All of my hate cannot be found, I will not be drowned by your constant scheming)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
Old LA Riddle:

What's the penalty for not payting your electric bill in LA?

Death by cop gun fire. (Eula Love shooting.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6812819

139 posted on 06/15/2009 7:16:34 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, school and passport records.)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
Yes, cops that feel failure to comply with their command is an executable offense need to be in jail for a very long time. They violated this mans civil rights.
140 posted on 06/15/2009 7:17:51 PM PDT by org.whodat
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