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To: Fichori
Lets see, Christ walked on water, walked through solid walls, rose from the dead, and ascended vertically into the clouds.

Consider.... Jesus was seen (by followers) walking around in a Roman province for forty days or thereabouts after he had been crucified. Simple logic dictates that if he had been walking around in a dead body, as some believe, that Romans would have seen him, executed him a second time, and done whatever was necessary to ensure that he STAYED dead the second time. Clearly Jesus was not walking around in a literal and 4real dead body and had no more use for dead bodies than you or I would.

Nonetheless, large numbers of people DID see him walking around after he died and every one of those original disciples went to their deaths rather than deny that. The ulterior motive for such a group dying to the man rather than admit to some sort of a scam or big con simply isn't there. There's basically no way; One or two people being psycho enough to die for a known falsehood might be possible, the entire group isn't. Somebody would get cold feet and squeal.

To the people who witnessed the thing, there was no discernable difference between what they actually did experience and having seen Jesus walking around in an actual dead body. The best starting point for that sort of thing is still Julian Jaynes' "Origin of Consciousness", and that sort of thing WAS (it no longer occurs) within the bounds of the laws of physics.

If you want violations of physical and mathematical laws and the laws of probability in wholesale lots, you need to talk to the evolosers; they specialize in that kind of thing.

54 posted on 06/11/2009 12:32:17 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

I haven’t seen Obama do any of that yet...


55 posted on 06/11/2009 12:34:27 PM PDT by surfer
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To: varmintman
“Consider.... Jesus was seen (by followers) walking around in a Roman province for forty days or thereabouts after he had been crucified. Simple logic dictates that if he had been walking around in a dead body, as some believe, that Romans would have seen him, executed him a second time, and done whatever was necessary to ensure that he STAYED dead the second time. Clearly Jesus was not walking around in a literal and 4real dead body and had no more use for dead bodies than you or I would.” [excerpt]
So you don't believe that God bodily raised Christ from the dead?

I don't mean was Jesus walking around in a dead body, I mean a resurected body.

And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them [his] hands and [his] feet.

And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

And he took [it], and did eat before them.

Luke 24:38-43


What about ‘he stinketh’ Lazarus?

“The best starting point for that sort of thing is still Julian Jaynes' "Origin of Consciousness", and that sort of thing WAS (it no longer occurs) within the bounds of the laws of physics.” [excerpt]
God is outside of the laws of physics He created.

He is not required to operate within them.

If He was, He wouldn't be God.

“If you want violations of physical and mathematical laws and the laws of probability in wholesale lots, you need to talk to the evolosers; they specialize in that kind of thing.” [excerpt]
Ah yes, the violation of the laws physics and logic by non-deities.

56 posted on 06/11/2009 1:18:04 PM PDT by Fichori
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