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To: BrandtMichaels
Creationism isn't in a “competition of ideas” with science. The Biblical interpretation of Creationists is not up for debate or revision; they fully expect scientific findings to “bend the knee” to their interpretation at every turn (speed of light, radioisotopic decay, geology, biology, etc).

Science is in a unprecedented golden age of discovery and utilization, biology especially. Most scientists in the USA are people of faith, predominate faith being, like myself, Christian.

One of the reasons science education is so atrocious in the USA is because of those who “want to puke” when scientific findings upset their particular Biblical interpretation.

Replicable findings about the natural world is a part of God's wisdom; for God created the world and all things in it. You place your own sense of wisdom in Biblical interpretation over God's natural laws of reality.

The more educated one is, especially in science, the less likely they are to be a creationist.

115 posted on 06/10/2009 6:30:48 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream; BrandtMichaels; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Mr. Silverback; Gordon Greene; ...
Science is in a unprecedented golden age of discovery and utilization, biology especially.

That's certainly a matter of opinion.

When one considers the advances made in the past with the limited knowledge that they had, I'd say the best thinkers and biggest advances were made when your average scientist had fewer resources available to him than today's average high school student.

It's easier to seem to make more discoveries now with the wealth of knowledge we have today but for the sheer brain power in innovative thinking, we've lost more than we can imagine.

One of the reasons science education is so atrocious in the USA is because of those who “want to puke” when scientific findings upset their particular Biblical interpretation.

Wrong. Creationism and Christianity have no detrimental effect on scientific investigation. You have to totally ignore history to believe that load. Not to mention that homeschools and private schools, which coincidentally teach creation along with evolution, consistently out perform public schools in standardized tests and SAT/ACT tests.

Also, if that were the case, the public schools should be improving over the years as creation has not legally been allowed to be taught in them for years, and yet that isn't happening.

There's no way that you can lay the blame for the state of science education at the feet of creationists in light it the stranglehold evolution has in the public school system. How can creation be affecting science when it's not even allowed to be taught?

In case you haven't noticed, with the monopoly evolution has had in the public schools, there's been no improvement in science education in the US compared to the rest of the world. How could that be when the teaching of the ToE and suppression of creation, is supposed to be the cure all for our abysmal ranking?

119 posted on 06/10/2009 7:40:36 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: allmendream; metmom
One of the reasons science education is so atrocious in the USA is because of those who “want to puke” when scientific findings upset their particular Biblical interpretation.

Fascinating. Please explain how science education (in the public system, I presume?) is so atrocious due to the “particular Biblical” interpretations of . . . whom? (Christians?). Specifics, please . . . you can ‘prove’ anything by saying nothing, if you say it well enough (I offer you the incomparable 0bama as an example of this last).

The more educated one is, especially in science, the less likely they are to be a creationist.

Judeo-Christians, by definition, are Creationists. We’ve been down this road before, where you acknowledged a “special use” of the word ‘Creationist’ as shorthand for “Special creation”ist, thereby conceding the prevalence of the ordinary understanding of the word, referring to God as the Creator of the Heavens and of the Earth by people of the Judeo-Christian faith. Yet, here you are, in the best Liberal tradition, at the same old Goebbels propagandist Kool-Aid stand looking to smear a whole class of people by demeaning their identity. You may describe as “shorthand” your “special” definition of Creationist, but I call it a sawed-off shotgun that you use to clear the (rhetorical) room.

Thanks, metmom, for the beep.

160 posted on 06/10/2009 3:04:42 PM PDT by YHAOS
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