Posted on 06/06/2009 6:24:20 AM PDT by Zakeet
Excellent reply to “BeliefNOT”, you spoke for me as well. That site in no way speaks for Biblical Christianity.
It appears to me that there are a few DU posters who frequent that site. Like the alleged former freeper "Joe".
What are you suggesting here? That by not outlawing abortions or jailing abortion providers, It’s the system’s fault that Roeder shot a man?
The abortions that Tiller specialized in were forbidden under Kansas law which provided that late term abortions were only legal when there was a "grave threat to the physical health of the mother."
Sebellius and others looked the other way and did not investigate or prosecute Tiller for his wanton disregard of Kansas law.
The fact of the matter is that if Sebellius and the Kansas authorities had done their job and shut down the clinic, George Tiller would be alive today (and rotting in prison). And there would be a lot of children alive today who might otherwise have been murdered by this animal.
So the answer to your question is... yes.
I respectfully disagree. The only one who put a gun in Roeder’s hand was Roeder himself and he pulled the trigger.
Then a large group is making a more practical argument that this was bad because it will backfire. In fact, a startling large number believe Tiller was murdered by Obama or pro-choice allies in order to justify a crackdown on guns or civil liberties:
From the news:
Obama Dept of Justice Starts Investigation
It was just announced that Attorney General Eric Holder and the Department of Justice has begun an investigation into the shooting of Dr. George (you know the Abortion doctor who killed babies just before they were to be delivered for a fee of $5000) Tiller as a possible hate crime. Holder's Justice Department says it is looking into whether any "hate group" incited the killing. Holder has announced the DOJ's intent to go after any individual or organization who opposes abortion in this country.
Perhaps y'all were on to something!
And when the hammer drops, you can put the blame squarely on the shoulders of Roeder and men like him as well as the ones who are celebrating Tiller’s killing. They’re practically giving the opposition the ammo they need.
Agreed!
If that's true then why is this murder any different than any other? What are you upset about?
I'd have to say that there were probably over 100 murders in the United States since noon yesterday.
What makes this one so special?
I don't see you crying or complaining about drug dealer Jose Sanchez being gunned down on 14th street in LA yesterday. Why does Tiller garner your sympathy?
Since it was solely the responsibility of the killer, it was just one angry guy taking out someone he didn't like. It happens hundreds of times a day. Move on. Jose and George are both rotting in hell today. Cest la vie.
I believe that beginning with the big media hype “Rise Of the ‘Christian’ Left”, there’s an agenda being enacted by the left to undermine the true church, almost the last bastion of western civilisation, the same way they’ve already undermined academia and the media. They work just like termites, rotting the structure from within while the exterior may look much the same. Until the day the whole rotten edifice crumbles.
Everyone who has ever expressed the sentiment that ABORTION IS MURDER is probably guilty of that "crime."
By calling abortion "murder" those who make that statement will be in part guilty of "inciting" someone to do what Roeder did. There are probably more Roeders out there who will take words like that to heart.
I believe that Abortion is murder. There, I said it again.
I'm sure they know where they can find me.
If we believe Abortion is murder and we say so publicly, then we cannot be absolved of any and all responsibility for those who take our words seriously.
Words have meaning. Words are powerful weapons in the war of ideas.
Use them judiciously.
If you don't truly believe that Abortion is murder, then don't call it murder. Call it something else.
“If that’s true then why is this murder any different than any other? What are you upset about?”
It’s no different. Those murders piss me off too.
“I don’t see you crying or complaining about drug dealer Jose Sanchez being gunned down on 14th street in LA yesterday. Why does Tiller garner your sympathy?”
If by sympathy you mean I hate to see someone shot in the head in Church, then I’m guilty as charged.
>> Do you believe that ABORTION IS MURDER?
What people believe, or know instinctively, may not be consistent with the law. By today’s law, abortion is not murder, and claiming so is an inaccuracy if the dialog is structured within the context of the law. As it stands, abortion is legal killing.
Definition of Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of a human being by another.
Abortion: the lawful premeditated killing of a human being by another.
I think it’s more accurate and onerous to say abortion is legal killing than to call it murder. They, the unborn, are forever God’s children, but law and the process of law enforcement will determine who gets to live and which mortals will be punished for murder.
The law appears to be inconsistent in that it recognizes the killing of an unborn child as murder when the death of the child is not authorized by the mother. How many mothers are forced or persuaded against their better judgment to abort their pregnancies? Could such cases be considered a form of kidnapping and murder? What about compelling a woman to commit abortion at a point where the woman’s confused and her judgment is impaired?
How about having their brains sucked out in a clinic?
Gee whiz, what does one have to say to get quoted by “editor-in-chief” of a nobody’s blog?
BTTT
Amen, number of post on the other hand is a useful indicator on FR. I think.
I don’t know how many times I can say it. I’m against abortion. I hate it and think its disgusting. I think killing this doctor is as equally disgusting and wrong and does nothing to help the Pro Life movement.
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