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Mexican Truckers File $6 Billion Claim Against U.S. in Nafta Spat
WSJ ^ | June 2 2009 | JOSE DE CORDOBA

Posted on 06/02/2009 4:38:43 AM PDT by radar101

MEXICO CITY -- A Mexican trade association representing more than 4,500 trucking companies is seeking $6 billion in damages from the U.S. government because of Washington's refusal to allow Mexican trucks to carry cargo over U.S. roads.

The group, Canacar, filed a demand for arbitration under the North American Free Trade Agreement with the U.S. State Department in April, but didn't publicize the move until Monday.

"We want reciprocity," said Pedro Ojeda, a lawyer for Canacar. "The U.S. has notoriously not kept its commitments." Mr. Ojeda said the complaint is the largest such demand made under Nafta, as the 1993 pact is known.

Deborah Mesloh, a spokeswoman for U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk, said Monday that, "We take our trade obligations very seriously and this is an issue we've been working on for a couple months." A State Department spokesman said the claim is "being studied."

The arbitration demand is the latest fallout from legislation signed earlier this year by President Barack Obama canceling a pilot program that had allowed Mexican trucks to carry cargo on U.S. roads. In March, the Mexican government retaliated by slapping tariffs on $2.4 billion of U.S. goods.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; corruption; mexico; nafta
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To: cripplecreek
Fulfill your agreements or we'll sue.

We did. we ran the PILOT program and it ended.

The PILOT program wasn't part of the agreement.

61 posted on 06/02/2009 2:18:29 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: 1rudeboy
BTW: I posted this for BEN so he could see what the NAFTA (international) tribunals have reaped. You do know they're a SOCIALIST thing, right?

Let me be a little more precise.

http://www.citizen.org/documents/ACF186.PDF

62 posted on 06/02/2009 2:20:46 PM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTA!)
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To: Ben Ficklin

See the link at #62 NAFTA’s tribunals SUCK!


63 posted on 06/02/2009 2:22:39 PM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTA!)
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To: HighlyOpinionated

Great idea!


64 posted on 06/02/2009 2:26:06 PM PDT by Churchillspirit
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To: wolfcreek

Tell ya’ what, why don’t you give us an executive summary of that Public Citizen piece, specifically focusing on the conclusions with which you agree, and which support the argument you think you’re making.


65 posted on 06/02/2009 2:26:39 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

You’re asking him to think? LOL!


66 posted on 06/02/2009 2:28:15 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; wolfcreek
Heck, I'm asking him to read it for the first time.

Imagine someone finding something titled, "Gitmo Sucks," by Human Rights Watch.

67 posted on 06/02/2009 2:30:18 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

He likes Johnny Cash, he doesn’t have to read.


68 posted on 06/02/2009 2:33:34 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: wolfcreek
I saw it, but I'm not big on anything from Public Citizen.

If you want to have a look at the actual document from the arbitration panel on Mexican trucks I can give you a link.

My reply #45 describes it.

69 posted on 06/02/2009 2:36:27 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: 1rudeboy

International tribunals are a NWO method of undermining our laws and sovereignty eventually leading to a world government. Trade agreements are designed help that along.

And you thought it was all about making a buck.


70 posted on 06/02/2009 2:37:22 PM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTA!)
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To: Ben Ficklin

I saw it when I Googled *NAFTA chapter 11* but, thanks anyway. The fact they use *tribunals* turns me off.


71 posted on 06/02/2009 2:39:07 PM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTA!)
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To: wolfcreek

Ok, so you didn’t read it, either. Have you read the U.S. Supreme Court opinion allowing the Mexican trucks?


72 posted on 06/02/2009 2:40:09 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Bump for later.


73 posted on 06/02/2009 3:10:39 PM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTA!)
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To: 1rudeboy
Here something more to your likeing, I'm sure.

http://www.freetrade.org/pubs/FTBs/FTB-013.pdf

Fact is. I don't agree with the decision. You can't throw existing environmental laws out the window for the sake of *free* trade and IMO, putting trust in international *tribunals* will lead us into a Socialist, one world government.

You never addressed those issues.

74 posted on 06/03/2009 3:58:38 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTA!)
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To: wolfcreek
Again, fact is you haven't read the decision. I'll post a link to it below.

I'll go back to my comment in #65. You should focus on the reasoning with which you disagree, and post it here if you wish to avoid leaving the impression that you are being played for a sucker. And by that, specifically, I mean that you have started with your conclusions (1. environmental laws are being thrown out the window, and 2. we are placing our trust in international tribunals) and working backwards. With regard to 1., in particular, you have assumed the conclusion of a bunch of lefties as your own.

There's nothing wrong with working backwards sometimes, mind you, except that this time 1. the law was upheld by unanimous decision, and 2. the tribunal is the U.S. Supreme Court. In other words, the facts you are citing don't support your conclusions. And that's what you get for associating with commielibs like Public Citizen, the Environmental Law Foundation, and the International Brotherhood (hey, that's an interesting choice of term) of Teamsters.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=000&invol=03-358.

75 posted on 06/03/2009 4:58:49 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I don't *associate* with ANY groups. Just because I might agree with a portion of what they say, does make me a member.

I appreciate your trying to explain your opinions on this matter but, I have my own.

Here in Texas, we live adjacent to Mexico and have to deal with these, IMO, dangerous and sub-par vehicles on OUR roadways. (along with the drug dealers, human smuggler, illegals, etc)

For someone living in the northern reaches of our country to tell me I'm a Leftist/commie for my concerns over this subject, sounds ludicrous.

In may view, you and yours are the ones who are being Suckered.

76 posted on 06/03/2009 5:20:47 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTA!)
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To: wolfcreek
That's another thing that is funny: why don't you move to the northern reaches of our country if you don't want to see unsafe vehicles, drug dealers, human smugglers, illegals, etc.

Prepare to be disappointed, however . . . you don't have a monopoly on them.

77 posted on 06/03/2009 5:25:33 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I reiterated my non-association with these groups in #48
78 posted on 06/03/2009 5:26:31 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTA!)
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To: wolfcreek
I don't *associate* with ANY groups. Just because I might agree with a portion of what they say, does make me a member.

And all I'm saying is that you have chosen to agree with the portion of what they are saying that is wrong, and that you have chosen to rationalize it by posting information that you haven't read.

Style over substance. Emotion over reason.

79 posted on 06/03/2009 5:28:39 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

“why don’t you move to the northern reaches of our country”

Cause I’m a TEXAN and we don’t don’t run. You, OTOH, don’t have a clue about what happens here.

Smell ya later.


80 posted on 06/03/2009 5:31:58 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTA!)
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