The difference between you and me is that I am not trying to be offensive. Sweet titles and platitudes do not impress me when they are offered in a passive aggressive manner. You refuse to even consider that you have offended me. What would you call that? Perhaps you do not realize the offense you have given.
I didn’t refuse to answer anything you have asked, whereas you dodged some of my questions. I told you that those that engage in henious acts like Tiller should be dealt with the courts and die by capital punishment. It seemed that you agreed to that, and then reverted to the “let’s kill ‘em wherever they are” stance.
I told you repeatedly that I am for the unborn. It was you who questioned my authenticity. If someone had done that to you, how would you react? I lament EVERY baby that is murdered.
As for the communion to the baby killer (I consider it murder) scenario. I don’t know. Perhaps one that was trying to change Tiller’s heart by using Jesus’ example of defending a adulterer/whore.
You can’t be Christian without acknowledging the sanctity of a church and its’ grounds. A church is where God dwells. Jesus showed that and said that. Better check out the New Testiment again.
Again, I ask you. What do you plan to do to stop the murder of the unborn? What have you done, Steve?
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I think you are offended by the mere fact that I don’t agree with the content of your posts and call them into question. Nowhere did I personally insult you as you have personally insulted me and falsely accused me.
Nowhere did I accuse you of not being pro-life. I did point out that people will likely engage in different levels of activity and have different beliefs regarding what is “acceptable” in their pro-life pursuits.
For example, I called into question your assertion that it was particularly heinous for Tiller’s killer to act at a church, and offered the biblical view that an intentional murderer is to be dragged away from God’s altar, by God’s command, for the purpose of execution (Exodus 21:14).
You offered no biblical refutation of that concept.
You just accused me of a, and I quote, ...“let’s kill ‘em wherever they are” stance.... I never said Tiller’s killer should not face our justice system. I merely pointed out the severely schizophrenic nature of “our” system that allows the killing of the innocent, while protecting “our” murderers. This system will not stand forever, as innocent blood cries out for justice. Whether a civil war will ensue in this land or not, I don’t know, but I can see our system can not long endure as it currently stands. In that context, I asked you where you would personally draw the line regarding legalized killing of people, eg. babies, Jews, the infirm or elderly, etc. The closest you came to answering that question was to say you served in the Army, which I consider a non-answer, as you never took up arms against your own government like the founding fathers against Britain, and perhaps the South (though they seceded and formed their own government).
While I agree with you that “those that engage in henious acts like Tiller should be dealt with (by) the courts and die by capital punishment” I think you meant to make that statement regarding the individual who put Tiller’s killing spree to an end. Tiller is estimated to have killed 60,000 babies. Perhaps you did mean he should die by capital punishment, and not his killer...please clarify.
Sorry you reacted to your own assumption that I thought you were against the unborn. Your condemnation of Tiller’s killer is on “safe ground” and closely resembles many of the pro-life organization condemnations of the individual. However, my suggestion that you should not post if you are so easily offended to those who disagree with your views, or segments of what you post, still stands. In responding to a perceived offense, you have committed an actual one, but no worries, my skin is thick.
Regarding offering communion, or even access to a Christian church to a man like Tiller, I think we have clear Christian instruction in 1 Corinthians 5 about who can and who cannot be accepted into Christian fellowship. Tiller, apparently, was not a visitor, but a regular member of this “church.
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I’m going to quote a whole segment of your last post: “You can’t be Christian without acknowledging the sanctity of a church and its’ grounds. A church is where God dwells. Jesus showed that and said that. Better check out the New Testiment again.”
Sorry, the New Testament teaches that the ecclesia, or “church,” is not a building, but a body of people — those who have come to faith in God through our Lord Jesus Christ. They can meet in houses, synagogues, catacombs, or the marketplace...it makes no difference.
To say you have to “acknowledge the sanctity of a church and its grounds” to be a Christian is sheer nonsense. Sorry if this offends you, but you can’t just arbitrarily add your own personal requirements for salvation, requirements which the New Testament makes very clear.
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If you would like to quote the New Testament rather than just telling me what you think it says, perhaps we can substantively discuss the issue. Refer to:
1 Corinthians 3:16&17
1 Corinthians 6:19
2 Corinthians 6:16
Ephesians 2:21.
Personally what do I do? I write poetry encouraging people to consider life “issues,” like the one in my last post. I volunteer and help raise funds for, as well as supporting, my local crisis pregnancy center (Alpha Pregnancy Center). I have served in the ministry over thirty years, teaching and preaching against abortion (not every sermon, nor in every classroom every time). I vote, and, unlike many Christians who apparently don’t hold biblical values close to their heart, vote only for pro-life candidates. And of course, I pray for the ending of abortion in our land and world.
I have not done nearly enough, and have not been nearly consistent enough, to bring an end to abortion. And I can see the day when the only alternative left for God is to execute justice on a stubborn, rebellious, murderous country which refuses to acknowledge the Christ who died for her and repent of her sins. Would you disagree with Lincoln’s stated view that the Civil War was a heaven-sent punishment for slavery? Brothers killing brothers? The approximately 600,000 casualties of the Civil War, by far America’s costliest in human life, is 1.2% of the death toll of the holocaust of abortion.