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Fears for 228 as Air France jet vanishes
CNN ^ | June 1, 2009

Posted on 06/01/2009 3:50:07 AM PDT by rdl6989

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To: misterrob

Do you work for the MSM?


201 posted on 06/01/2009 11:35:15 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: misterrob

Let’s just say it was nice to come home and hug the wife and kids. I didn’t know about the crash until I was waiting in line for my connecting flight and saw the “breaking news” on CNN followed by a frantic call from the wife at the same time...


202 posted on 06/01/2009 11:38:33 AM PDT by Grimas
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To: Grimas

*yikes* Glad you changed planes!


203 posted on 06/01/2009 11:38:59 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 133 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: inflorida

Somebody better check up on Hurley.


204 posted on 06/01/2009 11:40:15 AM PDT by shineon
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To: Grimas

Free advice? Buy some lottery tickets...


205 posted on 06/01/2009 11:41:22 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 133 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Grimas

I’ll bet....

Still....that’s a pretty big moment in life. Hope you are okay with it in the coming days. That’s a big one to process I would imagine.


206 posted on 06/01/2009 11:43:32 AM PDT by misterrob (A society that burdens future generations with debt can not be considered moral or just)
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To: LucyT

Why do you ask?


207 posted on 06/01/2009 11:43:49 AM PDT by misterrob (A society that burdens future generations with debt can not be considered moral or just)
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To: All

Question: Air France says that the device has experienced an electrical blackout. What are the consequences of such a failure on an airplane?

Answer: There are five sources of electrical power on board an aircraft. To get a total failure, these five sources must no longer work. When everything fails, a battery takes a transient and partial relay. A kind of wind is triggered to generate electricity. For the captain has no more ability to steer the aircraft should be that all these sources of electricity damaged. It seems quite difficult to imagine such a situation.

Question: A lightning strike, as mentioned by the Minister for Transport Jean-Louis Borloo, could not not cause such a blackout?

Answer: I am not saying that, but I wonder how we can know that there has been a lightning strike. What is known is that there obviously was a strong turbulence and electrical problems. We can then combine both issues, but then to say that a lightning strike is behind all this ... In the history of aviation, no case is known today when lightning strike would have lead to the loss of an aircraft.

Question: Brazilian expert raised the possibility of landing in the ocean. This assumption is realistic?

Answer: For the aircraft to be able to land, it must be controllable. And to be driven, there must be a little electricity. And if there is electricity, it is possible to send a message. Between the time you plane and when you ask about the water, it will take nearly half an hour. This possibility is unlikely ... In reality, what is almost certain is that we will never know what really happened. The aircraft was over the Atlantic. If it exploded in midair, there is debris scattered over ten kilometers in diameter ...

Question: Talk about an explosion. Could an terrorist attack cause a general power outage?

Answer: Absolutely. A bomb may have caused a depressurization of the aircraft. In that case, the aircraft takes some time to dismantle into pieces. Similarly, it can actually be a big bomb that exploded, which would explain why the aircraft did not have time to send a warning signal.


208 posted on 06/01/2009 11:48:13 AM PDT by VaBthang4 (Too many FReepers whine too damn much. Your kneejerk contrarianism is not Conservative.)
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To: Moose4
Air France notified Cindacta III at 0830 (Brasilia time) [1130 GMT], that approximately 100 kilometers from position TASIL, flight AFR 447 sent a message to the company reporting technical problems with the aircraft (loss of pressurization and electrical system failure).

That just about does it...don't it?
209 posted on 06/01/2009 11:49:41 AM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: Grimas
Have a drink on me.

Make it a double.

210 posted on 06/01/2009 11:52:33 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: rdl6989

Update...

France asks our military for help. click here Wonder why they didn't ask the U.N.? < / sarcasm >

211 posted on 06/01/2009 11:54:17 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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PARIS, June 1 (Reuters) - Two Lufthansa jets passed through turbulence before and after a missing Air France plane without incident on Monday, a source with access to data said, leaving experts scrambling to assess the weather’s role in the disaster.

A frantic air-sea search was under way to locate the missing Airbus and its 228 passengers and crew more than 12 hours after it was presumed to have crashed into the Atlantic on a flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris early on Monday.


212 posted on 06/01/2009 11:56:30 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: tflabo

Overlay of infrared radar image at time of disappearance,
with waypoint INTOL(last actual reporting point)
and waypoint TASIL (missed reporting point):

Obvious what happened...

213 posted on 06/01/2009 11:58:58 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: MikeWUSAF
From airliners.net forum, texts sent by people on the flight:

"I love you" or "I'm afraid" were some of the messages from phone to the passengers of the plane of Air France sent their relatives disappeared when they realized that the aircraft had problems.

214 posted on 06/01/2009 12:01:37 PM PDT by LikeLight (http://www.believersguidetolegalissues.com)
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To: LikeLight

Which forum is discussion on the AF flight in?


215 posted on 06/01/2009 12:06:23 PM PDT by pnz1
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To: LikeLight

Heartbreaking...


216 posted on 06/01/2009 12:06:27 PM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: All

The Brazilian Authorities have shared this list:

2 American
1 Argentinian
1 Austrian
1 Belgian
58 Brazilian
5 British
1 Canadian
9 Chinese
1 Croatian
1 Danish
1 Dutch
1 Estonian
1 Filipino
61 French
1 Gambian
26 German
4 Hungarian
3 Irish
1 Icelandic
9 Italian
5 Lebanese
2 Moroccan
3 Norwegians
2 Polish
1 Romanian
1 Russian
3 Slovakian
1 South African
2 Spanish
1 Swedish
6 Swiss
1 Turkish


217 posted on 06/01/2009 12:07:32 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: pnz1

It’s the main forum over there at airliners.net - - - part III is the currently active discussion.


218 posted on 06/01/2009 12:09:49 PM PDT by LikeLight (http://www.believersguidetolegalissues.com)
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Reuters exerpt: It [flight 447] had been preceded safely on the same track 30 minutes earlier by a Boeing 747-400 heading to Frankfurt for Lufthansa, according to a source with access to data transmitted from jetliners for the World Meteorological Organisation.

Two hours later an MD-11 cargo plane also flown by Lufthansa passed just south of the same spot on the way to West Africa, the source told Reuters, asking not to be identified.

Neither aircraft reported any anomaly.

“You can’t tie it down to lightning with the information we have; for me it’s a red herring,” said the source, who specialises in aviation weather. Lufthansa declined comment.


219 posted on 06/01/2009 12:12:25 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: davandbar
Several years ago, I flew near a lightning storm. I was very nervous about lightning hitting the plane, but a teenager behind me pointed out that lightning will not damage a plane in the air because it is not grounded. So, it will pass through, but no damage will occur. It sounded feasible at the time and put my mind at ease.

I was once on a flight from Argentina back to Miami, and we spent two-plus hours in heavy thunderstorms (over Brasil I think). It was so bad the flight attentants had to remain strapped in. There was so much turbulance and lightning that I really thought I was going to die (and my wife was nearly hysterical).

Thank God we were on a Boeing plane.

220 posted on 06/01/2009 12:15:42 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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