If the EU seems intent on a putsch then UKIP should give it a shove

UKIP are as bad as the rest of the Eurocrats, they've been embedded within the European system for years, and achieved nothing, they were concocted by the Labour Party as a deflection for true Anti-EU votes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flt-dGUsJnY

UKIP are getting puffed up big time on TV here, but you're gonna see on Thursday the true feeling about the EU, and the EU sponsored UKIP charlatans.

Bump in hopes this is more widely read because it’s so important.

Do you think PM Brown will call for an election in the Fall?

If so, and the Tories get in, do you think they will give Britain a vote (referendum) on the EU Constitution?

I appreciate your opinion.

Note that the UKIP Party has Joe Trippi listed as an affiliate along with a lot of EU Social Democrat/EUcrat parties....what is the June 4th election about?

Hi Lowbuck.

I think Gordon Brown has missed the tiny opportunity he had for saving the Labour Party from decimation at the next general election.
I think the only opportunity he had was a quick election following Blair's exit.

I'm a Conservative Party campaigner, and although I have many reservations about the Conservative Party under Cameron, I think they wouldn't dare not give the referendum following David Cameron's speeches recently deploring Gordon Brown for the spin on their last election manifesto pledge. So yes, I'm 99.9% confident that a Conservative Government would halt the (currently illegal) process of ratification of the Lisbon Treaty and give the UK a referendum.

What's going to happen this Thursday here, when the UK goes to poll to elect it's local and MEP's is going to be very interesting.

Forget what you're seeing in the British MSM, they're not giving the true balance in their efforts to try and oppose growing Public Opinion.
From my perspective, Thursdays election is going to swing incredibly hard to the right, I genuinely feel that the Conservative Party will do well, but I also genuinely feel that the Labour Party will see numbers that would cease to show them as the official opposition if this was a general election.

What people are telling me whilst knocking on doors is that they're not going to vote, they're disillusioned, sick of MP's following the corruption that's been exposed recently in Westminster.
Ironically, only the 3 main Party's supporters are saying this, the fringe Party's, mainly the BNP are being empowered by this, the more their supporters read these stories, the more resolve it gives them to spread their own campaign, so to digress, the corruption stories are having a double impact, especially against Labour and the Lib Dems, but also to the Conservatives.

We're in uncharted waters here currently, anything could happen, but absolutely the most important thing that's happened in Europe in the last 10 years is the Irish 'No-Vote' on the Lisbon Treaty.
Tony Blair & Gordon Brown had planned that the treaty would be in force BEFORE the next general election, which would have made the next general election just theatre, as many powers would have already been transferred to Brussels.

Their big plan has failed, because whatever they do now, people are watching them like hawks.

For a view on the grassroots campaigning which I'm fighting against when knocking on People's doors, see the BNP video below.

Can't count how many times I've been grunted at whilst campaging this past few weeks.
Regarding Conservative MP's that have been caught up blatantly twirling their Expenses, I think David Cameron should have sacked some MP's on the spot, it might have done a World of good for the Party, but Thursday will show what damage has been caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLTMdWTD1sg

Hi Iopscusa.

Thursday's Election is to elect local MP's in Britain, which also elects MEP's to Brussels should they gain enough representation in constituencies offering MEP seats.

See http://www.europarl.org.uk/section/european-elections/candidates for some info on who is campaiging in each constituency.

It is rather an impoerant election, as Brussels holds many powers now governing British Policy, so it's imoprtant we have a genuince voice there.
Daniel Hannan has served us well in Brussels, but Britain needs more people there fighting for British interests, so that means NO LABOUR CANDIDATES!

Thanks bethybabes69. That was a most excellent analysis.

I will be watching the reports come this Thursday. I imagine that Brussels will be pulling out the stops to get the Irish to “vote right” before there is a chance that the British people get a chance to vote.

Again thanks,

Lowbuck

You're welcome Lowbuck, glad you're interested in what we're upto here!

One last note, since the Irish No-Vote, the Czech President, Vaclav Klaus has said he's not going to 'sign off' the ratification process of the Lisbon Treaty until it's been analysed in the Czech Senate, so it's doubtful now that it will happen before we get a chance to vote, as it cannot be legally enforced in any state until all member states have completed their own ratification process according to their own constitution, ironically, this is one of the main powers the Lisbon Treaty will deprive member states of in the future!

Bethybabes, Good morning from SE South Carolina and thank you for the reply. After perusing the EU site, I’m not up to speed as to what the breakdown between Labour & Conservative affiliated parties. For example where does the BNP fit into the left/right matrix?

That's something that's very subjective Iopscusa.

Labour have historically been a Socialist Party bordering on the boundaries of Communism on the left, supporting and funding the unions, the working classes, high taxation etc. This is not what they are now though, what Tony Blair did was qute complex, and very calculated, and was done in co-operation with many external forces.

Tony Blair saw the opportunity of using free market Capitalism and greed as a tool for installing their own brand of neo-Capitalist Socialism.
The way he deregulated everything financial, installed critical people in institutions and fuelled the boom and debt ridden spending sprees in Government and the Public shows how he used Capitalism to further this aim (does this sound familiar to Bill Clinton's era?)

This has split the Labour Party, and why they have lost their core vote, a vote which is inevitably going to the BNP with their grass roots policy.

It's no surprise that he left into a wonderful job in the Middle East, with a mansion in Egypt into the deal is it? I think that shows where his funders were.

The Conservatives (sometimes called Tories in UK speak) have historically stood for for free enterprise, smaller, lower spending Governments, more geo-social isolation, but less geo-business isolation and strong support for historical & cultural values.

The Liberal Democrats are self proclaimed modernists, and are also neo-socialists, especially with regards to the Marxist EUROcrats.
The Lib Dems are still rather vague, and are quite blurred on many issues, and are sometime rather contradictory.

UKIP are a recent party, some say they are funded by the Labour Party, some say funded by the Conservative Party, but their main claim is for an independent UK, but with the modern, neo-socialism left intact.

It's worthwhile noting at this point, all these parties have completely distanced themselves publicly from religion, although the Labour Party (as you'd expect from a Communist Party) have installed sympathetic people in all facets of organisations, including the Church, Police, Councils, NHS & House of Lords etc, so their influence is more far reaching.

The BNP are unlike any of the other Parties, as they openly claim to have Christian beliefs as their underpinning.
Their leader, Nick Griffin has been indicted a few times for hate crimes, of which all but one was unsuccessful. This used to shock many people, but now people have seen the true face of how un-democratic Britain has become, what with the Charles De Menezez shooting, Police being called into help with Politically motivated arguments, the Labour Manifesto lies about the EU Constitution and many, many other things, people read headlines like "BNP ate my hamster" etc and don't absorb or believe it anymore.

The BNP have roots in The National Front, but are constantly modernising their Party to fit into Public opinions.
Many people think, and call them 'neo-nazis in disguise', and call them 'extreme right wing', which I feel is wrong, as Hitler was a Nationalist, which inevitably has it's roots based in National Socialism, or the extreme left.
For me, the BNP represent some of the patriotic values of classic Conservatism, and some of the Social values of classic Socialism.
Their one overriding policy is one about strict immigration and British rights, which some people cannot accept.

To summarise, the Conservatives are NULabour with less Socialist tendencies, the Lib Dems are similar but with much less free market attitudes, and the BNP are probably not a million miles away from post war Conservatives like Enoch Powell, and rather less so, Winston Churchill.

A BNP Government would be Socially insular, forging other Nationalist commerce links, and strict immigration, a bit like Jean Marie Le Pen in France.

Where that puts them in a left-right spectrum, I've just no idea!!

Thank you for the impressive help in identifying the makeup of the British political parties. I only had a vague idea and have been curious about our cousins...good luck in this weeks elections!

Good morning bethybabes...just found Dan Hannan’s book, ‘The Plan: Twelve months to renew Britain’. After perusing the book via Google books, I thought this is a great way to address a lot of problems in Britain & the US as well as laying out specific changes and policies to do so. What do you think?

I like Daniel Hannan, iopscusa.

I only glanced over the book recently, and have been meaning to delve into it a little deeper.
It says all the right things to address the issues we're lumbered with currently, which is a massive step, but as a fix for our wider, broken Constitutional Monarchy, which I think that's a very important issue, it says little.

For me, the absolute first step towards a fair Democracy is to make the Campaign Manifesto a legally binding contract between Voters and MP's.
Whatever they claim they will do if elected, they must achieve it, or show an endearing attempt to achieve it.
They must show targets in definitive statements, and as individuals, AND Political Party's, they must be bound to them. No more, Mp xxx has resigned because he didn't achieve xxxx so now the slate is clean, if they say it, as a Political Party, they gotta do it, no excuses or spin, or face dismission, partywide if necessary. They should be appraised by a Jury made of voters without external interference.

The banking sector needs literally smashing into line, I'm not going to repeat my opinion about bankers & their secret directors, or their influence on the democratic processes in Britain as you already know it, but suffice to say, their influences need to be completely neutralised. I'm not interested how much fiat money get's written off in the process, they're just 'zero's' on a computer screen, and are irrelevant!