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To: Ken H

Well, it reminds me of our politicians, too..., telling people certain things but operating on a different level, and even contrary to what they tell the people, until they get into power and then their *actions* tell the story.

At least the book written by Weikart, (From Darwin to Hitler) pretty much documents what was done and acted upon and the philosophy behind it. It permeated his regime, so there’s ample evidence of that. I don’t have any problem with the information that he’s presented, from the writings that I’ve read from him.

And also, I guess Chamberlain thought he “had something” too, with Hitler’s words, when he came back with a piece of paper from him and said it was “peace in our time”.

I’ll go by what he did and the philosophical underpinnings for that. Weikart makes that amply clear...


52 posted on 05/30/2009 8:01:10 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

“Well, it reminds me of our politicians, too..., telling people certain things but operating on a different level, and even contrary to what they tell the people, until they get into power and then their *actions* tell the story.”

—But with Hitler, we don’t just have public statements, we have reams of material from stenographers of his meetings, and casual conversations, and he sounds every bit like a pre-Darwinian Creationist.

One of the big surprises I had when I read Hitler’s book, and speeches, and other material recording his words, is that he DIDN’T use Darwin. Not that Darwin or Darwinism says anything to justify any of Hitler’s deeds – but that never stopped Hitler before. So it’s actually a bit puzzling to me that Hitler didn’t try to use Darwinism, even if Darwinism actually had nothing to do with his ideology. He twisted anything he could think of to try to justify his deeds – so perhaps he never thought of Darwin or Darwinism? Or perhaps Darwin disgusted him, just as Oparin did? Considering what he thought of Oparin, and what he thought of us evolving from apes, that’s probably the answer. But it’s interesting that he never mentioned Darwin – even just in passing to deride him.

Or maybe I missed something? I might have to check out Weikart’s book to see if he found material I missed. But if he has, no one seems to be posting any of it online anywhere.

As for the actions of the Nazis, it was nothing new. For the Jews, the only thing new they were facing with the Nazis was their technology. The reason the Holocaust occurred when it did was because the technology was available to pull it off - not because of any change in culture.


53 posted on 05/30/2009 8:20:32 PM PDT by goodusername
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To: Star Traveler
Well, it reminds me of our politicians, too..., telling people certain things but operating on a different level, and even contrary to what they tell the people, until they get into power and then their *actions* tell the story.

And among those actions were eugenics and genocide - both of which preceded Darwin and Jesus. It is junk reasoning to pin the blame on either.

At least the book written by Weikart, (From Darwin to Hitler) pretty much documents what was done and acted upon and the philosophy behind it. It permeated his regime, so there's ample evidence of that. I don't have any problem with the information that he's presented, from the writings that I've read from him.

Nevertheless, the regime was presented to the public as pro-Christian, and they apparently accepted it.

56 posted on 05/30/2009 9:50:50 PM PDT by Ken H
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