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The secret fuel that made the Spitfire supreme
Royal Society of Chemistry ^ | 13 May 2009 | Brian Emsley

Posted on 05/29/2009 5:03:39 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 05/29/2009 5:03:39 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Wow. Another piece of the puzzle of how the Brits won the battle of Britain (if it’s true).


2 posted on 05/29/2009 5:10:13 PM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: neverdem

100-octane fuel has never been a secret.


3 posted on 05/29/2009 5:14:07 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: saganite

It’s true. 100/130 octane aviation gasoline was one of the U.S. secret weapons that neither Germany nor Japan could produce on a mass basis.


4 posted on 05/29/2009 5:14:53 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: 2banana

Another little non-secret secret is that U.S. chemists from American oil companies analyzed the fuels captured from downed German Messerschmitts and Jap zeros, and provided that info to the Army Air Corps and U.S. Navy so that our pilots could have yet another small advantage over the enemy in combat.


5 posted on 05/29/2009 5:17:20 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: neverdem

And if we would have given them our crap gas today with ethanol in it, they would have been sitting ducks and speaking German in no time flat.


6 posted on 05/29/2009 5:21:04 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: neverdem

Nowadays they’d be forced to use a 15 percent ethanol blend—to save the earth, of course.


7 posted on 05/29/2009 5:21:57 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("Baldrick, to you the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?")
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To: neverdem
In 1987 had a 64 Lincoln Continental that required 99 octane. I could run it on 93 by retarding the timing, but it was a slug. A couple of times I was able to put aviation gas in it and it ran like a scalded monkey. Man that was fun. However, at 8 miles to the gallon, and the nearest airport 60 miles away, it was a pretty rare occurence.
8 posted on 05/29/2009 5:22:13 PM PDT by fini
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To: neverdem

The secret was ...

White Lightnin!!!’


9 posted on 05/29/2009 5:22:38 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (No greater friend, no worse enemy -The United States Marine Corps.)
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To: neverdem

More octane, crank in a few more degrees of timing and make more power. Pretty basic racing info. The British must have just not had the technology to produce the fuel.


10 posted on 05/29/2009 5:23:14 PM PDT by Clay Moore (Obama: A good example of why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: neverdem

I ran across this story thirty years ago.

The secret to winning the Battle of Britain - tetraethyl lead.


11 posted on 05/29/2009 5:23:14 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Sure the higher octane helped but the Spitfire was a flat better designed airplane and the Hurricane was rugged as hell.


12 posted on 05/29/2009 5:24:43 PM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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To: neverdem

I have had the opportunity to hear a Spit engine a couple of times.

Once heard, you never forget it. Beautiful aircraft.


13 posted on 05/29/2009 5:24:56 PM PDT by alarm rider (Any country that tells you what light bulb to use is not a free country.)
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To: 2banana
100-octane fuel has never been a secret.

True. Jimmy Doolittle showed the advantages of it in the 1930s while working for Shell.
14 posted on 05/29/2009 5:27:59 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Toward the end of the war, the Germans actually used ethanol to fuel their fighters. Worked pretty well...but not well-enough.


15 posted on 05/29/2009 5:28:53 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

they would have been sitting ducks and speaking German in no time flat.

Actually, they would be dead.
Putting alcohol in aviation fuel = crash landing all of the time.

Its why we can’t use a Mogas cert anymore for our aircraft.


16 posted on 05/29/2009 5:31:37 PM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: neverdem

Well, that is all well and good, but what kind of ‘carbon footprint’ did those things leave? Hmmmm? No wonder we have had global warming ever since. :-))


17 posted on 05/29/2009 5:31:55 PM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: neverdem

OH NO!!!! Demon petroleum helped save the free world?

What will the moonbat environmentalists think now?

Probably just ignore it.


18 posted on 05/29/2009 5:33:45 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Don't you wish you had supported a conservative when you had the chance?)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I have read extensively on WWII, especially as regards the air war since I’m a pilot (Air Force) and I don’t recall ever seeing that fact. Just goes to show, you’re never too old to learn.


19 posted on 05/29/2009 5:34:32 PM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: neverdem

It obviously helped. But the Germans were operating on constrained fuel (and thus reduced combat time) reserves anyway, because of having to cross the Channel, as well as being up against the determination of British, American and Polish pilots who knew they were the only thing standing between the Nazis and full invasion. You put anyone’s back to the wall - watch out.


20 posted on 05/29/2009 5:39:16 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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