New Evangelical Documentary Exposes Abortifacient Qualities of the Birth Control Pill, Promotes NFP

LifeSiteNews ^ | 5/27/09 | Alex Bush

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Dr. Harnisch, another doctor interviewed in “28 Days on the Pill,” said about the pill: “I believe that any time there is a doubt with something as precious life that we should always err on the side of protecting life, rather than saying 'prove to me that that wasn't alive, so it's dead, so what? How do you know it ever happened?'"

This is exactly right!

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[allmendream]

Do you also oppose barrier methods of birth control such as condoms?

If so then it is disingenuous to claim you are opposing birth control pills due to their abortifacient qualities.

[metmom]

I wondered how many posts would pass before someone brought up this point.

There’s always someone on FR who can be counted on to erect a strawman. Your post has nothing to do with the point of the article.

If you cannot see the difference between killing an already conceived child and preventing conception, I guess there is no hope for you.

Do you also think that women who miscarry should be charged with manslaughter like your compatriots do?

[metmom]

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[allmendream]

I do see quite a bit of difference actually, do you?

Women who miscarry should be consoled for their loss.

Who, exactly do you think are “my compatriots” on this issue? Who is advocating that women who miscarry should be charged with a crime? Talk about a strawman.

And if you are against all birth control methods, then raising the specter of the pill being an abortifacient is a red herring as use of the pill would be opposed even if its mode of action was a 100% prevention of fertilization.

[metmom]

Who, exactly do you think are “my compatriots” on this issue? Who is advocating that women who miscarry should be charged with a crime? Talk about a strawman.

I've seen that as the evo position on many a thread.

And if you are against all birth control methods, then raising the specter of the pill being an abortifacient is a red herring as use of the pill would be opposed even if its mode of action was a 100% prevention of fertilization.

The thread is about the abortifacient properties of the pill and that women have been lied to. If there's no conception, there's no abortion. Prevention of fertilization is not the same as killing the baby that has been conceived.

[allmendream]

Ridiculous assertion, please point to a single thread where an “evo” advocating charging a miscarrying woman with manslaughter (and please explain the “logic” behind such an assertion, even if, as expected you are unable to corroborate your claim).

The thread is about birth control. Some people oppose all methods of birth control, even those that prevent fertilization.

It is analogous to those opposed to all forms of capital punishment saying that they oppose electrocution because of the pain involved.

[wombtotomb]

THANK GOD THIS IS FINALLY GETTING OUT! I cannot imagine the number of actual abortions in this country, both medicinally induced under the false pretense of birth control pills/patches/shots/implants and surgical abortions. The number must be in the hundreds of millions at this point.

[WKB]

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[wagglebee]

The thread is about birth control.

NO, it is about birth control PILLS.

Some people oppose all methods of birth control, even those that prevent fertilization.

And some people oppose eating meat, what does that have to do with this thread?

[allmendream]

If a vegetarian group wrote a piece on how eating cows was dangerous because of mad cow disease I would point out that they are being disingenuous, as they oppose the eating of ANY animal at ANY time, even in the absence of disease risk.

[wagglebee]

It has not been suggested that the Evangelicals who prepared this documentary condemn barrier methods of contraception.

Moreover, I am unaware of the Catholic Church ever stating that barrier methods were abortifacients.

[tacticalogic]

I've seen that as the evo position on many a thread.

You may have seen the question posed as to whether a miscarraige would or could be investigated as a possible homicide under a "life begins at conception" doctrine.

You will not be able to back up the claim that anyone proposed that a miscarraige, in and of itself would be a criminal offense.

[metmom]

It’s a fine line....

[allmendream]

Its a fine line between someone asking if a miscarriage could or should be treated as a homicide, wrongful death, etc- if one wishes to confer legal rights to the unborn, and advocating criminal penalties for women who suffer miscarriages?

Only if you are blinkeringly stupid is that a fine line.

The person posing the question is obviously AGAINST such an absurd legality as treating a miscarriage as a wrongful death, not advocating the position.

[tacticalogic]

It’s a fine line....

A fine line between asking whether a crime might have been committed, and charging someone with having committed it?

[tacticalogic]

The person posing the question is obviously AGAINST such an absurd legality as treating a miscarriage as a wrongful death, not advocating the position.

I have posed the question, to try and get people to look at the unintended consequences of simply saying we are going to extend all the rights and protections afforded any other child to in-vitro fetusus, from the moment of conception.

If you're declaring the use of any drug that causes the death of a fetus to be murder, and a woman obtains these drugs illegally and uses them, then she has committed murder. If a doctor has any reason to believe a child was harmed or killed by the actions of the parent he is legally obligated to report it to the authorities for investigation. Does that apply if he suspects the woman may have illegally used abortificant drugs?