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This family sedan seems to prove that Zero's new CAFE standards can be met in a "normal" car.
Car and Driver ^ | August 2008 | Jared Gall

Posted on 05/25/2009 1:57:15 PM PDT by seatrout

It’s rare that we test two-year-old cars, but this particular Accord is rarer—in the U.S., anyway—than burlesque houses in a Texan polygamy camp. Under the hood is a 2.2-liter four-cylinder engine.

It’s happy as low as 1300 rpm, but power starts at about 1600, with a whopping 251 pound-feet of torque (55 percent more than the current four-cylinder Accord) available at 2000 rpm. There is a nearly imperceptible difference between 70- or 80-percent throttle and flat-footing it, meaning the car feels quick when driven at about 8/10th, but sluggish when it’s really hammered. It took 8.9 seconds to wind the speedo to 60 mph and 16.8 to get through the quarter-mile at 82 mph.

It’s happy as low as 1300 rpm, but the power starts at about 1600, with a whopping 251 pound-feet of torque (55 percent more than the current four-cylinder Accord) available at 2000 rpm. There is a nearly imperceptible difference between 70- or 80-percent throttle and flat-footing it, meaning the car feels quick when driven at about 8/10th, but sluggish when it’s really hammered. It took 8.9 seconds to wind the speedo to 60 mph and 16.8 to get through the quarter-mile at 82 mph. The last TSX we tested ran 7.2 and 15.7 at 91.

While gas costs are skyrocketing, diesel prices are seemingly strapped with an additional booster rocket or three. We observed 51 mpg on a 150-mile highway loop at 70 mph and only managed to bring our overall figure down to 32 mpg by hammering the Accord around town and through our usual testing regimen. Assuming $4 a gallon for gas,[this] works out to 16 cents per mile. If diesel costs $4.80 a gallon, our overall observed economy of 32 mpg means 15 cents per mile, and that includes some pretty aggressive miles.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cafe; diesel; honda; mpg
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Are US emission standards holding this back? Maybe. But VW diesels have been passing smog checks for years. Honda claimed it would introduce this in 2009. Nice to have a car get 51 mpg that's not mini-sized or a hybrid.
1 posted on 05/25/2009 1:57:16 PM PDT by seatrout
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I used to have a ‘96 VW Passat TDI. Phenomenal car, and most people never knew it was a diesel. I could routinely drive 700 miles or more on a tank of gas. Unfortunately, our EPA has its focus in all the wrong areas, and when I went to look for a new car, the TDI wasn’t available. I’d buy a good German diesel any day- Audi has a Q7 SUV now.


2 posted on 05/25/2009 2:01:54 PM PDT by chpmass
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While gas costs are skyrocketing, diesel prices are seemingly strapped with an additional booster rocket or three

Older article. Diesel is now comparable to gas in price and I've seen diesel fuel for less. Diesel makes sense to me.

3 posted on 05/25/2009 2:04:35 PM PDT by Need4Truth (Washington DC is a foreign entity.)
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I used to have a ‘96 VW Passat TDI. Phenomenal car, and most people never knew it was a diesel. I could routinely drive 700 miles or more on a tank of gas.

My first new diesel car was a 1985 Ford Tempo. I could squeeze out 700 miles to a tank if I was really careful. Had a Mitsubishi diesel engine. I loved that car.

I have to say that I'm sure part of the reason the manufacturers don't give us more diesel is they are suspicious of regulations that may change at a moment's notice to ban them, as was done in CA, MA, etc.

My hat's off to VW for sticking with it and if they decide to put a diesel in their new VW CC, I'll buy one tomorrow.

4 posted on 05/25/2009 2:05:40 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Putin warned Obama not to pursue Marxism. Obama has ignored him.)
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If it is anything like the diesel Mercedes we had years ago, I don't want one. That thing couldn't get out of it's own way. I had a guy harassing me on a deserted highway and I could not get away from him. He was driving something like an old junk Pinto that was belching more black smoke than my diesel and I STILL could not get away from him. Horrible experience.
5 posted on 05/25/2009 2:06:11 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Need4Truth

This is true. A place near me (central PA) had both diesel and 87 octane for $2.39/gal. Last year diesel was around $1.00/gal more than regular gasoline.


6 posted on 05/25/2009 2:08:58 PM PDT by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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Diesels have come a long way from the old diesel Mercedes. No black smoke and very, very little odor. VW and Mercedes both have very good technology, and I would presume that Honda’s is very good as well.


7 posted on 05/25/2009 2:10:32 PM PDT by chpmass
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I think the new diesels perform a lot better than the diesels of years past (the GM diesels of 30 years ago were horrid, so I’m told). I just wonder if they’re more expensive to maintain than a gasoline engine.


8 posted on 05/25/2009 2:11:52 PM PDT by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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I think the new diesels perform a lot better than the diesels of years past (the GM diesels of 30 years ago were horrid, so I’m told). I just wonder if they’re more expensive to maintain than a gasoline engine.


9 posted on 05/25/2009 2:11:53 PM PDT by seatrout (I wouldn't know most "American Idol" winners if I tripped over them!)
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A little better but they are still slow pokey compared to gasoline. My husband bought a diesel pick up that he leaves on the ranch. I don't think the maintenance is bad and with a modest amount of care the engine will run almost forever.
10 posted on 05/25/2009 2:16:57 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: seatrout

It seats what, four? Or five if four of them are midgets? Useless.


11 posted on 05/25/2009 2:18:16 PM PDT by Tax-chick (The eviscerations will continue until morale improves.)
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Phenomenal car, and most people never knew it was a diesel. I could routinely drive 700 miles or more on a tank of gas.

I would have thought putting gas into a diesel car would ruin it.

12 posted on 05/25/2009 2:18:43 PM PDT by humblegunner
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Okay then, semantics aside, it went well over 700 miles on a tank of DIESEL.


13 posted on 05/25/2009 2:20:15 PM PDT by chpmass
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Funny, I just posted the other day about my 1982 VW Rabbit Diesel which I recall got about 44 MPG in semi-suburban traffic.

It was a great car until some teen smacked into me head-on doing about 25 MPH. I was OK but the car was totaled.


14 posted on 05/25/2009 2:20:47 PM PDT by angkor
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To: seatrout

The Accord is still a dinky tin can!


15 posted on 05/25/2009 2:21:11 PM PDT by dalereed
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I think the automakers will have to go to diesel to make the CAFE standards. Europe did it out of necessity. It will be more difficult to meet the standards in pickups and large SUV’s even with diesel. I think we’ll soon see diesels in 1/2 ton pickups that may do pretty well.


16 posted on 05/25/2009 2:25:40 PM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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I’ll just keep driving my 65 Chevy PU.

It’s only got 1,300,000 miles on it so it’s got a long ways to go.


17 posted on 05/25/2009 2:28:21 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: seatrout

That is only because those were gas motors converted to Diesel. GM Duramax Diesels are great motors.


18 posted on 05/25/2009 2:31:18 PM PDT by When do we get liberated?
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To: angkor

I had one of those—and I got about the same, 45 or so per gallon. It was loud, though, and it sure did leave black smoke behind me.


19 posted on 05/25/2009 2:37:17 PM PDT by WarriorPoet
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>>>> It was loud, though, and it sure did leave black smoke behind me. <<<<<

I remember the clackity-clackity-clack but not that is was smokey.


20 posted on 05/25/2009 2:47:01 PM PDT by angkor
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