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Memorial Day SHOCKER - Pentagon burns our troops' Bibles
Pay in the Name of Jesus Project ^ | May 25, 2009 | Chaplain Gordon James Klingenschmitt

Posted on 05/25/2009 10:18:20 AM PDT by CARepublicans

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To: Clintonfatigued

Actually, the military has ALWAYS kept members from handing out Bibles in muslim countries. Sorry, but evangelizing isn’t a proper activity for the military in Afghanistan.


61 posted on 05/25/2009 12:02:28 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: stentorian conservative

He is right. Unless you are a special forces unit(whos job is to become friends with the locals) you aren’t getting free time off base to go chat it up with the locals.


62 posted on 05/25/2009 12:06:52 PM PDT by aft_lizard (One animal actually eats its own brains to conserve energy, we call them liberals.)
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To: Dionysius

No, they shouldn’t have burned them ... I would imagine the costs were pretty steep to get a good translation, to print/bind, and then ship halfway around the world. Terrible loss. They could have offered the Chaplain(s) the option to return to sender or store, whatever (at sender’s cost).

The military just isn’t in the business of handling this type of situation. They DO have a war to fight, troops to protect. Burning was probably just the most expedient way of getting rid of them. No packing/shipping/storing time and costs. I suppose burning/destroying is how the military handles unsolicited and/or inappropriate gifts.


63 posted on 05/25/2009 12:08:12 PM PDT by EDINVA (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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To: aft_lizard

Oh my South Speak was showing there.

I was in total agreement with him.

Sorry ‘bout that.


64 posted on 05/25/2009 12:10:11 PM PDT by stentorian conservative (I'm tired of being Johnny B. Goode and I'm gonna start being Johnny Reb.)
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To: CARepublicans

Time to riot and burn some mosques I guess </s>


65 posted on 05/25/2009 12:11:40 PM PDT by SeminoleSoldier
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To: stentorian conservative

My bad. It is hard to tell when a joke is present in a thread like this.


66 posted on 05/25/2009 12:12:33 PM PDT by aft_lizard (One animal actually eats its own brains to conserve energy, we call them liberals.)
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To: aft_lizard
I'm glad others caught this too. Military personnel won't be going anywhere in that country alone or in an off duty status.
I too carried a bible in my pocket for 15 years of military service. This says nothing about taking personal bibles from our troops. This is all about an act that is specifically forbidden by military law.
Crap like this will prolong this war and get many more Americans killed. I've been there and done that. Personally I have no time for people who believe they have the right to get people killed because of their religious convictions and I don't care if they are Christian or Muslim.
67 posted on 05/25/2009 12:33:44 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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To: EDINVA

I still am curious as to from whence csme the order. Burning implies disdain and derision. Let’s put it another way — would they have burned the Koran under similar circumstances?


68 posted on 05/25/2009 12:35:59 PM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice in these troubled times.)
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To: Dionysius

Are you forgetting that the appropriate way to dispose of a U.S. flag is burning ? The official U.S. flag retirement is a ceremony that ends with its being burned. Not the hippie flag burnings.

I don’t think it means necessarily disdain or derision. It sure as hell means final ;)


69 posted on 05/25/2009 12:38:20 PM PDT by EDINVA (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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To: BufordP; yazoo; stentorian conservative; oldenuff2no; aft_lizard

I’m glad to see that some sanity reigns.


70 posted on 05/25/2009 12:47:11 PM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (...but, it was already impossible to say which was which.)
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To: EDINVA

Right you are Sir.

In fact, The American Legion will take worn out Flags and store them for their Flag Ceremonies. It’s a great Ceremony to take the kids/grandkids to.


71 posted on 05/25/2009 12:49:44 PM PDT by stentorian conservative (I'm tired of being Johnny B. Goode and I'm gonna start being Johnny Reb.)
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To: EDINVA

But I’m willing to bet it all that there was no rite or ceremony attendant to this Bible burning, and you didn’t answer as to whether or not you believed that the Koran would have received the same treatment. It is not a moot issue; it is a question of preferential policy.


72 posted on 05/25/2009 12:51:14 PM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice in these troubled times.)
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To: CARepublicans
The chaplain is a drama queen.
73 posted on 05/25/2009 12:54:49 PM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: CARepublicans

Threads labeled “SHOCKER” rarely are. They are most often misstated and out of context...like this one.


74 posted on 05/25/2009 12:56:42 PM PDT by TankerKC (01/20/09 = 09/10/01)
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To: CARepublicans

Lets find out how many bibles were destroyed and then organize a Koran burning of the same number...

See how that goes down...


75 posted on 05/25/2009 1:15:30 PM PDT by Wil H (The most destructive act of Muslim terrorism against the US was paying for 0bama's Harvard education)
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To: 4rcane

If they distributed those bibles to the locals it would be very damaging to our war effort and a death sentence to the person who accepted it and maybe the US troops (distribution to the locals is why they were sent). It’s not like the US troops could read them in Pashtoon and Darhi. They shouldn’t have burned them they should have hauled them out of the country.

Burning on the other hand was a big mistake too from a local PR standpoint. It tells the locals that the Koran is more important than the Bible and we don’t respect our holy books like they do the Koran. The officer who ordered them burned should be reprimanded as should the chain of command that knew about the burning and did nothing to stop it.


76 posted on 05/25/2009 1:52:23 PM PDT by airedale ( XZ)
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To: Clintonfatigued

These weren’t for the soldiers personal use to read and study. They were distributed for proselytizing the Muslims by the group who provided them (bringing the Good Word to the heathen). Most of our troops don’t read the languages these bibles were printed in. The problem is it’s a death sentence for someone to convert to Christianity and for someone to proselytize a Muslim. Even the threat of prioritization by US troops will inflame the entire countryside against us. The bibles should have been hauled out of the county and either returned to those who gave them or warehoused.


77 posted on 05/25/2009 1:56:04 PM PDT by airedale ( XZ)
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To: EDINVA
They could have offered the Chaplain(s) the option to return to sender

Read the article I posted at #15.

78 posted on 05/25/2009 2:54:00 PM PDT by BufordP ("I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market system."--George "the Abandoner" Bush)
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To: Dionysius

Your question doesn’t fit within the context of the case in point. I am not a JAG ... BUT ... the military operates under pretty strict rules and regulations.

The local-language Bibles were sent for US troops to distribute while evangelizing local peoples in a land we are trying to free (not occupy), most of whom one presumes are Muslims. They were sent clearly for conversion purposes. Who’s going to send the Koran to US troops to convert Muslims to Islam ?

Taking a hypothetical: If there were a Christian-dominated country that US troops were fighting in and a CAIR-like entity sent copies of the Koran to Muslim troops who would go out and try to convert Christians to Islam, would the US military burn those Korans? I’m thinking their regulations might require it, but again, I am not a JAG or even garden-variety lawyer. IF that is the military’s normal procedure for disposing of unsolicited materials, they should and probably would be burned, as were the Bibles, without ceremony.

We all know that Muslim mobs burned and killed just because some Danish cartoonist dared poke at Mohammed, and went on further rampages because Newsweek published what turned out to be a false rumor about flushing a Koran down a toilet. We all know that the US Armed Forces provides copies of the Koran to its Muslim prisoners; we also know that Koran is a real ‘best seller’ in US prisons. None of that falls under the jurisdiction of the US military that has a job to do in Afghanistan, and doesn’t need an independent group to come in and advance evangelizing by US troops which is, regardless of the religion, a needlessly provocative act that is counter to US military interests.


79 posted on 05/25/2009 3:10:18 PM PDT by EDINVA (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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To: CARepublicans

Appalling. Have they no concern for Global Warming? The Bibles should have been pulped.


80 posted on 05/25/2009 4:55:54 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (a competent small government conservative is good enough for government work)
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