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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Thank you for your link. I'm glad Google has scanned old books and made them available. I've ordered several of them through Amazon.

Very similar things like that in Bradley County happened with respect to elections in Kentucky with Federal troops striking Democrats off the ballot. Both sides abused their power. I see in your link that General Wheeler showed that the two Carters were not bushwackers by his question about whether they were armed. It sounds like the five who captured the Carters were not Wheeler's men, but some who later participated in the killing of the Carters might have been.

If what happened to Unionists in East Tennessee was bad (and it was), then what happened to Southern sympathizers in Kentucky and elsewhere was also bad. There was much more Southern land occupied by Federals than Union-favoring land occupied by Confederates. IMO, there was consequently much more opportunity for bad/brutal administration by Federals than by Confederates. It is one reason we have so much bad behavior by Federals to point to.

You mentioned that the things that happened to South Carolina were against Sherman's wishes. I'm skeptical of that. He had written orders that appear that he was against the burnings and atrocities (CYA, IMO), but I believe his purpose was to destroy Columbia.

The part I posted above about Sherman and his officers traversing the streets everywhere during the "demonic saturnalia" (as Simms called it elsewhere in his book) but doing nothing about it was from Simms' original newspaper account. Is Simms telling the truth? If Hurlburt's book about East Tennessee is believable, why shouldn't Simms' book about the burning of Columbia be given similar credence.

A commission was set up in 1866 by South Carolinians to document what happened. Depositions were taken from some 60 individuals. The results were quoted from many years later by a 1920 history book: [History of South Carolina]. On page 801 of that book, Sherman is reported to have said the following in Salem, Illinois, in July 1865 about a change in policy he made on his march to the sea. "Therefore, I resolved in a moment to stop the game of guarding their cities and to destroy their cities."

Sherman also said that his feeling and that of the army officers and troops in 1865 was that South Carolina deserved extirpation. [Source: New York Times, May 10, 1873]. Union Captain George Whitfield Pepper reported in his 1866 book I mentioned above that Sherman said the following to a group of Columbia ladies who asked for protection, "Do not ask me for protection, I am an enemy and destroyer." [Pepper's book, page 315].

Incidentally, Pepper's book also confirms Simms' account of Union troops cutting firehoses of local firefighters trying to put out fires. [Pepper's book, page 312]. Pepper also says on his way into town the next day after the fire, he was met by crowds of soldiers "waving gold watches, handsful of gold, jewelry, and rebel shinplasters [rb: paper money] in the air, and boasting of having burned the town." [page 312-313]

I learn history by responding to your posts. Thanks.

108 posted on 05/29/2009 1:04:39 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
Thanks for the info. I've been reading the South Carolina book beyond the Sherman stories. It really gives a feel for the mind of SC in those days. There really was a gap between the passion for the CSA found in SC and the Upper South that I;m more familiar with. Those Palmetto Staters were true believers.

I think Wheeler in the Carter incident displayed the effects of many months as a cavalry commander in the Civil War. I doubt something like that would have been allowed to happen in in 1861, but by this time the man was probably physically and mentally weary and had become hardened to the actions of the criminals acting in the wake of the raid. It might even be suggested that Wheeler here was a small scale version of Sherman as he was by the time he reached Columbia.

Both Hurlburt and Simms had part of the story to tell. I guess the thing to avoid is to focus only on one of the stories and to pretend the other didn't exist.

Always enjoy what you write. They loght a match on things to consider and that's why it ususally takes me a day or two to ponder the issue before I respond.

110 posted on 06/02/2009 6:00:41 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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