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To: DJ MacWoW
"reading all the info"

Myself, especially when WND is involved.

Doing that, you see that this is not Jason's first visit to this school, and he had to leave once before. The school explained the rules to both Jason and his lawyer. But he is back and he is trying to create an incident.

As for your phrase "horrible Christian", militant is a better description. Jason has "soldiers". You hear of "Joel's Army". Reply #19 frames it as a "war"

31 posted on 05/24/2009 8:45:29 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
ONE student complained as per the Dayton Daily News.

I'm so glad that you support the First Amendment. /s

32 posted on 05/24/2009 8:58:43 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Myself, especially when WND is involved.

Doing that, you see that this is not Jason's first visit to this school, and he had to leave once before. The school explained the rules to both Jason and his lawyer. But he is back and he is trying to create an incident.


WND is not the most reliable source of information IMO.

And as I understand the 1st Amendment, we have the right to practice or not practice religion as we personally see fit and not have the government impede that freedom or establish an official State religion. We also have the right to free speech and to peaceably assemble.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

However the 1st Amendment no where implies we have a right to a captive audience for our views and peaceably assemble implies that there are some reasonable limits on how and where I can exercise my 1st Amendment rights.

For instance I can’t get together with a bunch of my friends and stand in the middle of I-95 with signs and placards and force motorists to take our pamphlets.

I also can’t walk into any building or institution unannounced; private or public and put on a demonstration especially if I harass or impede people from entering or leaving the building or attempt to force them to listen to my POV.

My take on this is that this group had been allowed on campus before but was asked to follow a few simple rules which they ignored. They were asked not to have signs and not try to force literature on people who didn’t want it. And that doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.

“Sinclair has set procedures for anyone who wants to speak on campus,” Gift said Wednesday night. “It is a public campus and we welcome anyone who wants to come and speak. All they have to do is follow the procedure.

“Gift said two members of the group were disorderly when they were told they could stay on campus if they got rid of their signs and did not distribute literature unless someone asked for it.”


I’m all for people exercising their freedom of speech and religion and peaceable assembly whether I agree with them or not.

But their freedom to do so should not impinge on mine. If a group is peaceably assembled and has pamphlets, they have the right to offer me one and I have the right to accept it or refuse. On the other hand, if I refuse, they don’t have the right to follow me, harangue me, yell at me and otherwise infringe on my right to ignore them and go about my business.
44 posted on 05/24/2009 11:27:57 AM PDT by Caramelgal (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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