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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Whosoever
[ My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand. I and [my] Father are one. - John 10:27-30 ]

Amen.. Including Adam and Eve.. Moses.. All the Prophets.. even the Apostles.. All men, faithful or not, rightfully belong to God.. Unless you mean only "christians" belong to Jesus.. Surely you don't mean that do you?.. God is rightful owner of this entire planet.. and everything on it..

The Father does not own some things and Jesus owns other things.. for they are both ONE.. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one with each other.. as far as I can determine..

92 posted on 05/26/2009 10:16:02 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe; betty boop; MHGinTN
Interesting that you should bring up Moses et al who walked the earth before God was enfleshed as Jesus Christ our Lord considering we are having another sidebar on time.

Only observers "in" time - sensing linear time, an arrow of time - would have a sense of a difference between the before and after Christ's being enfleshed.

God's Name is I AM.

Time is part of the creation, not a property of the Creator.

Thus, Jesus is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Rev 13:8) - and He is always the Lamb of God and the Lion of the Tribe of Judah (Revelation 5). Likewise, we are chosen from the foundation of the world - just like Moses, Abraham, David, etc.

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. - Ephesians 1:4-6

We are time-bound. God is not.

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. - Exodus 3:14

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. - John 8:58

As soon then as he had said unto them, I am [he], they went backward, and fell to the ground. - John 18:6


95 posted on 05/26/2009 10:31:33 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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