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To: hosepipe
Here's a question for you to ponder: Did you have a form of consciousness before you were formed in your Mother's womb? ... We know that we will have consciousness after we leave this body, but did we have consciousness before being physically formed in our Mother's womb?

The answer, from a reading of what Jesus taught is related to being 'born again'. The consciousness of/in the soul is created with the physical body, but the consciousness of the spirit is achieved through an act of being 'born again of the Spirit', His Spirit enlivening our human spirit component.

So, the soul is not bound to linear temporal perspective and is in fact an ongoing 'thing' which exists even after the body has rotted away. Jesus taught that the spirit too is not bound by linear temporal perspective and shall continue in existence, but for those not 'born again', the spirit of man will continue endlessly in a dead state, void of the LIFE of God in the human spirit.

Perhaps that helps to explain why I want to differentiate between soul and spirit every chance I get. Everything that is alive has a soul of greater or lesser complexity, but only humans have been given a spirit component to their soul which differentiates them from all other live as physical, soulish, and spiritual.

And here's another notion to ponder: the fifth chapter of Daniel reveals an interesting aspect about that 'other realm' where beings dwell and reach 'down' to our linear temporal realm ... when they manifest in our realm, they have physical appearance, even if only the hand of the physical.

69 posted on 05/25/2009 9:49:32 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
[ Did you have a form of consciousness before you were formed in your Mother's womb? ]

Good question.. if eternal life is possible..
then is eternal past and eternal future possible also?..

What is "spirit/Spirit"?.. We really dont know in a material way..
We tend to look at life carnally(flesh)..
Where did our/the spirit come from..

Is it possible that our spirit is a evil angel getting a second chance?..
A second to reject Satan and his gospel..
Which is, "Eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and YOU will be like God"..

Can a man decide good and evil himself?..
Often, The good can be evil and the evil can be good..
The observer problem trumps a proper diagnosis..

What IF, an recalcitrant (evil)Angel had his "mind" blanked/cleared/occluded before being injected into a human body at conception.. You know.. to make the test (of being human) legitimate.. And that "angel" grows into that body identifying with the body instead of the spirit that he actually is.. thinking that he is merely flesh?..

That would make us all prodigal sons.. and provide a good test of our real spiritual proclivities.. Some opting for evil or good and opting to allow God to diagnose that..

If SO, then God is a genius.. what a plan... What a wonderful plan..
i.e. a second chance for Satans minions.. and for Satan himself..

70 posted on 05/25/2009 12:51:41 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: MHGinTN

besides that; if true; being born again is absolutely tangible..


71 posted on 05/25/2009 12:53:51 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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