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The Myth of Ever Increasing Fuel Economy
American Thinker ^ | May 23, 2009 | R.H. Higgs

Posted on 05/22/2009 10:41:30 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: tina07
My brother is a "Smoke" fan. I follow Kyle, Joey Legano, Mark Martin, and Carl. It's amazing the dramatic wrecks that can be walked away from...

If you missed the Talledega race, Carl ran to the finish line after that wreck, a la Ricky Bobby... but he was clothed!


41 posted on 05/23/2009 2:15:10 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( God said, 'Cancel Program GENESIS.' The universe ceased to exist.- Arth. C. Clarke's shortest story)
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To: tina07
Not crazy expensive as I imagined, but not cheap either.

But how SUBSIDIZED are they??

What does the ELECTRICITY cost to 'fill up the tank'?

42 posted on 05/23/2009 2:15:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: WVKayaker
1993 - Bristol...not an airborn crash, but wow! Nobody died in that and then there was poor Dale, Sr.


43 posted on 05/23/2009 2:20:14 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85 -Happy B'day Daddy 2/20/23)
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To: WVKayaker
Ford has high hopes for the Fusion hybrid, which can operate on the electric power at up to 47 miles per hour. The hybrid features a 2.5-liter inline-four with 155 horsepower and 136 pound-feet of torque bolted up to a CVT transmission. Like other hybrids, the system utilizes regenerative braking, an upgraded nickel-metal hydride battery (said to be 20 percent more powerful than previous batteries), and a "smart" climate control system. The new sedan, which Ford says will be in showrooms by March 2009 at the latest, also feature the SmartGuage system to help "coach" drivers into driving more efficiently.

So many questions...

How LONG does it take to charge the batteries?

How FAR can it travel on the gas (what size tank) after the batteries are depleted?

What's the BRAKING DISTANCE compared to a gas only vehicle?

How do the HEATED SEATS suckdown the batteries?

44 posted on 05/23/2009 2:23:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Good morning, Elsie. You do not plug a hybrid into anything.It makes it's energy from th motion of the car.The gas part gets the boost from the electric!

Ford is NOT a bailed-out company. It is not close to bankruptcy, but Zero will try to change that!

Have you driven a Ford lately?

2010 Ford SHO... zoom x2!

45 posted on 05/23/2009 2:24:57 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( God said, 'Cancel Program GENESIS.' The universe ceased to exist.- Arth. C. Clarke's shortest story)
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To: Elsie
How FAR can it travel on the gas (what size tank) after the batteries are depleted?

Actually, the question should be..."How FAR can it travel on the batteries after the gas tank is depleted? Every time you slow down, it makes more juice!

46 posted on 05/23/2009 2:29:45 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( God said, 'Cancel Program GENESIS.' The universe ceased to exist.- Arth. C. Clarke's shortest story)
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To: WVKayaker

Oh yes, we saw Talledega! My husband’s favorite race. Carl was funny running across the finish line. I haven’t watched that movie yet, we have it stll in it’s wrapper!

Ewwww to the shrub, we are anti-Kyle here. Dale Jr. (who is doing miserably) is our driver. My husband spends most of the time yelling at the tv telling Junior to get rid of Eury, Jr.


47 posted on 05/23/2009 2:30:19 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85 -Happy B'day Daddy 2/20/23)
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To: WVKayaker

I also like Tony, Carl and good for Mark Martin winning last week or was that the week before? Can’t recall who won the All-Star race, the brain is going, eesh! I also like Joey Logano, amazing talent for an 18 yr. old. It’s a little scarey though, him being so young after what happened to Adam Petty. Although that was before the mandatory HANS devices.


48 posted on 05/23/2009 2:35:12 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85 -Happy B'day Daddy 2/20/23)
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To: tina07
Yes, Dale Jr is not Dale, Sr. I put Kyle at the top when he first came along. Now, his team mate Joey is gonna keep it interesting. Flipper is a great guy! Plus, I luv Fords!

But, Kyle is different. He seems fearless, and knows how to get up front. I predict he will exceed all records before it's over... but it ain't over yet! There's plenty of racin' left!


49 posted on 05/23/2009 2:41:21 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( God said, 'Cancel Program GENESIS.' The universe ceased to exist.- Arth. C. Clarke's shortest story)
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To: WVKayaker
Every time you slow down, it makes more juice!

So it only can re-use the energy of slowing down?

How does that help HIGHWAY mileage?

50 posted on 05/23/2009 2:57:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: WVKayaker
Them '57s were STUTRDY models!!


51 posted on 05/23/2009 3:01:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: WVKayaker

I tend to think Dale Jr. is a lot better than we’ve seen, his cars are never set up right or something (not into the technicalities of the engines or anything!). His last year or years with DEI were also a battleground behind the scenes with Teresa that we didn’t know about for a while.

Kyle is dangerous IMO sometimes, drives too crazy sometimes. Beats the crap out of his car sometimes too, but he definitely seems fearless, but that might not always be a good thing. He has a bad temper still too. They made Tony get counseling for his, Kyle just walks away silent but maybe he’s had some counseling too and that is how he controls himself now.

I saw part of a show about the drivers homes a bit ago and to Kyle’s credit his was the most modest normal home of the drivers featured. It was the first time I’d seen him off the track so to speak, and he seemed almost normal! Like Harvick’s house is ridiculously large in comparison and museum-like, but Kyle’s seemed like a normal home, not overly extravagant. I was impressed with that for some reason. I think the 3rd driver shown was Hamlin, medium large house. Just can’t see wasting their money on these humongous houses, and it’s not envy by any means.


52 posted on 05/23/2009 3:01:37 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85 -Happy B'day Daddy 2/20/23)
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To: tina07
...Kyle is dangerous IMO sometimes, drives too crazy sometimes. Beats the crap out of his car sometimes too, but he definitely seems fearless, but that might not always be a good thing.

Did you ever watch races 25-30 years ago? Dale Sr. perfected the style. There's a legendary saying, "if you ain't rubbin', you ain't racing'".

"You win some, lose some, and wreck some." - Dale Earnhardt Sr.

"The winner ain't the one with the fastest car, it's the one who refuses to lose." - Dale Earnhardt

"I jumped out of the car to address this thing, knowing I had to address it right then or run from Cale [Yarborough] the rest of my life. And with that, Cale went to beating on my fist with his nose." - Bobby Allison Speaking about the famous fight ending the 1979 Daytona 500

"The competition, of course, is No. 1. Dale Earnhardt Jr., we have to remember, is Dale Earnhardt Jr. He could sell a chocolate popsicle to a woman in a white dress. It's easy. ... Kyle Busch, he wouldn't be able to sell a favorite candy bar to a kid, I guess." - Kyle Busch, on whether marketing and sponsor demographics play a role in his search for a new team.

"There are certain guys who you can race with, and they'll race you hard and clean. "[Earnhardt Sr.] is not one of those guys." - Ricky Rudd about Dale Earnhardt Sr's driving style


53 posted on 05/23/2009 3:35:15 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( God said, 'Cancel Program GENESIS.' The universe ceased to exist.- Arth. C. Clarke's shortest story)
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To: Elsie
So it only can re-use the energy of slowing down?

How does that help HIGHWAY mileage?

*****

Everything has inertia; if it has a mass, it has inertia. A hybrid reclaims energy through the fundamentals of physics. Do you remember any high school or college physics?...

...On a hybrid that has regenerative brakes, you can reclaim some of this energy that would normally be lost due to braking. Using the vehicle's inertia is the key. What is inertia? It is basically what makes something difficult to start moving and what makes something hard to stop moving....

...Thus, through the technology of the motor and motor controller, the force at the wheels becomes torque on the electric motor shaft. The magnets on the shaft of the motor (called the rotor—the moving part of the motor) move past the electric coils on the stator (the stationary part of the motor), passing the magnetic fields of the magnets through the coils, producing electricity. This electricity becomes electrical energy, which is pumped back to the battery. This, in turn, charges the hybrid battery pack. This is where the comment “regeneration” or “reclaiming energy” comes from... http://www.hybridcars.com/components/regenerative-braking.html

54 posted on 05/23/2009 3:42:17 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( God said, 'Cancel Program GENESIS.' The universe ceased to exist.- Arth. C. Clarke's shortest story)
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To: WVKayaker

No, I only started seriously watching races in 1993 but I’ve seen some old races on tv, and yes, Dale Sr. was intimidating and all that you said! The first race we went to was the June Pocono race, my Father’s Day gift to my husband. It was the next race right after Davey Allison had died. Our first race and our guy won, we were thrilled for that. Him and Rusty battling it out, it was awesome!

We moved here to PA just over a year ago, now we are 8 miles away from the Pocono track! My sister lives outside of Chattanooga with access to Bristol and Talledega even, but she and her family aren’t in to Nascar..what a waste, lol!!

Now they all have to play nice. The last big fight I remember was between Harvick and I think it was Ricky Rudd, when Harvick flew over his car to get to Ricky


55 posted on 05/23/2009 3:43:11 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85 -Happy B'day Daddy 2/20/23)
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To: WVKayaker
I'll always have this to remember any way....his first win after losing his "Daddy"...


56 posted on 05/23/2009 3:50:00 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85 -Happy B'day Daddy 2/20/23)
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To: tina07
I haven't been to Pocono. I have been to Watkins Glen (NY) for a Nascar event. My first "live" race was in Charlotte, 1974.

I love Richmond, and am heading for Dover. Small tracks make for plenty of "rubbin" and lots of racin'!!! Plus, if you get good seats, you can see the whole track.

I take my motor home, but park elsewhere. I like to sleep!


57 posted on 05/23/2009 3:58:53 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( God said, 'Cancel Program GENESIS.' The universe ceased to exist.- Arth. C. Clarke's shortest story)
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To: WVKayaker

I bought two Ford Focuses in the ‘90s - both cars were total pieces of junk. Never again, never.


58 posted on 05/23/2009 4:00:13 AM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: donmeaker
"With lighter and smaller cars you get better gas mileage. You also get higher death rates from accidents."

And, IMHO the American people believe their safety is as important or of greater importance than fuel economy. So, why don't conservative organizations develop a new web-based interactive index called the "Family Safety and Fuel Economy" FAMEC (Family,Economy).

The FAMEC Index would give a rating for a vehicle based on screen input by the BUYER, who would simply indicate (on a 1-10 scale) THE BUYERS person value of both Safety and Fuel Economy. An overall value for each vehicle, based on a value of 5 for each parameter would be the "sticker" value. Conservative lawmakers could call for a law making the display of this FAMEC number mandatory on new car window stickers. Comments please!

59 posted on 05/23/2009 4:02:50 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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To: Elsie
I always wanted a

59 Caddy

60 posted on 05/23/2009 4:04:03 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( God said, 'Cancel Program GENESIS.' The universe ceased to exist.- Arth. C. Clarke's shortest story)
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