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To: Dan Middleton

“The only thing I am resigning myself to is that some of those who call themselves conservatives will refuse to fight faithfully with me because they live in a world of ideology where they bear no responsibility for the consequences of their actions or inaction.”

Where, oh, where has that been said to be the actions of those also willing to fight if necessary?

Being only willing to vote, write letters, run for office, but also willing to take whatever is given is nothing but cowardice. Being unwilling to put your life on the line is weak and will never be the mentality necessary to win even a political battle.

What do you do when your government is 100% out of control? Do the same thing over and over again expecting different results?

When the people no longer have an effective means enforce their demands is when revolution happens. We still have effective means but are discovering it isn’t as effective as we need.


101 posted on 05/23/2009 9:09:37 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: CodeToad
"Where, oh, where has that been said to be the actions of those also willing to fight if necessary?"

When their unrealistic obsession with that fight hampers others in their efforts to ensure that fight never has to happen, the people who are being undermined tend to get a little put out.

"Being unwilling to put your life on the line is weak and will never be the mentality necessary to win even a political battle."

I'm sorry, this discussion was never about being WILLING to put your life on the line for the cause. It was about chances of achieving the cause that way, and whether more promising avenues shouldn't be exhausted even if it means losing a little bit of the glory in one's heroic sacrifice if and when only that last desperate hope remains.

"What do you do when your government is 100% out of control? Do the same thing over and over again expecting different results? When the people no longer have an effective means enforce their demands is when revolution happens. We still have effective means but are discovering it isn’t as effective as we need."

If and when a time comes that people like us see the government as 100% out of control and no longer tractable to our demands, it will be because the majority of our fellow Americans enforced their demands instead, or at least happily went along with those in power. Some of us want to try to stop that from happening. But some others won't give us a helping hand because they're afraid that our efforts may impede their ability to just shoot their way out of the situation, which they seem pretty confident about as a solution to all our problems and not a particularly undesirable one at that.

106 posted on 05/23/2009 9:37:56 PM PDT by Dan Middleton
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