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To: Turret Gunner A20
"So if the government won't cover the healthcare costs of illegal aliens, that leaves the burden entirely on the private sector."

The federal government may not cover the costs, but the states are required by law to continue to do so. If you recall the voters of California passed Prop. 187 which prohibited the extension of state paid benefits to illegal aliens. The prohibition was thrown our by the courts and as a consequence, California is nearing bankruptcy.

2 posted on 05/22/2009 7:51:38 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

“The federal government may not cover the costs, but the states are required by law to continue to do so. If you recall the voters of California passed Prop. 187 which prohibited the extension of state paid benefits to illegal aliens. The prohibition was thrown our by the courts and as a consequence, California is nearing bankruptcy”

The Court overturned Voters sounds like pitchfork and tar time.!!!


5 posted on 05/22/2009 7:58:26 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Natural Law

It’s being pushed now to totally restart the California Constitution. I hope it goes through. It has been changed over 500 times and doesn’t resemble the original. It does need to start over.


11 posted on 05/22/2009 8:44:43 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Natural Law; All
Please, here are some facts about the "unconstitutionality" of Prop 187 (passed 59 - 41 in 1994).

Prop 187 was not thrown out by the courts and it was never appealed either -- a deal was made. A lone federal judge is as far as it got -- and that judge sat on Prop 187 until just before an opponent of Prop 187 was elected governor (1998).

California voters on November 8 (1994) voted 59 to 41 percent to approve Proposition 187.

A federal judge immediately blocked the implementation of virtually all sections of Prop. 187

Liberals including a lot of Hispanic folks railed against the passage of Prop 187

Mexican President Carlos Salinas declared that Mexico was pleased with the federal court's rejection of Prop. 187. Ernesto Zedillo who succeeded Salinas agreed.

Bill Bennett, Jack Kemp, and other Republicans (including Jeb Bush if I remember correctly) attacked California Republican Governor Wilson for supporting Prop. 187. Ref: here

The Republican Wilson Administration tried several ways to get the federal judge to do something! The judge was sitting on the case. "The Wilson Administration sued [Jan. 1995] to have the constitutionality of Prop. 187 determined first in California state courts, thereby removing the case from a Los Angeles federal judge who has issued an injunction blocking Prop. 187's implementation." Ref. here

Almost three years later November 1997, US District Court Judge Mariana R. Pfaelzer finally ruled: "California is powerless to enact its own legislative scheme to regulate immigration. It is likewise powerless to enact its own legislative scheme to regulate alien access to public benefits." Ref. here

Democrat Gray Davis was elected governor in 1998. An opponent of Prop 187 it was his administration that arranged a settlement and refused to appeal the federal district court's decision; to wit,

"The federal judge who issued an injunction in 1994 blocking the implementation of Proposition 187 approved a settlement in September 1999 between the state and groups that challenged the initiative, ending litigation—the settlement will block implementation of all parts of Proposition 187 except for those providing penalties to persons caught making false documents. Proposition 187, approved by voters 59-41 percent in 1994, would have created a state-run screening system to prevent unauthorized children from receiving tuition-free K-12 schooling and unauthorized residents from receiving state-funded public benefits." Ref. here

NOTE: the agreement was between the state [Gov. Davis] and groups that challenged the initiative there were no proponents of Prop 187 invited, if I remember correctly.

Thus IMO no final decision on the constitutionality of Prop. 187 was ever rendered. No appeals court decision, no supreme court decision. Nothing but Prop 187 opponents' and one federal district judge's feeeeeeeeelings.

Now we're broke. Now we are "powerless" to comply with the deal made between ideological hacks.

Now what? Will Judge Pfaelzer, Gray Davis, liberal Republicans, Mexico, et al give us the money?

17 posted on 05/22/2009 11:40:16 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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