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To: taildragger
Alright let's look at this through the eyes of history. Alcohol(ethanol to all young people)has been used in engines for years. In the 1930s they started using it in racing engines, engines that were tuned to run alcohol and the mixture set up to get the maximum energy from it. Alcohol made an engine run hotter and faster, unlike the ethanol mix we use today. The engines were set up for it and it produced great power. The downside was that alcohol caused engines to burn out fast.

Let's take speedway motorcycles for example(a certain type of motorcycle racing)that use 500 CC engines, no oil tank, no brakes and only one gear. They started using alcohol in those engines back in the 1930s, burned the engines up after a few races, but that was ok, racing was expensive and that was one of the cost. They still use basically the same bike today in speedway, still burn up engines to get the power boost.

Drag racing, everyone knows about drag racing, and other types of car racing also use alcohol to boost power and efficiency but with the same cost. Engines do not last as long when the engine is tuned to run alcohol at it's most powerful and efficient mode.

There is a reason ethanol gets less mileage in cars today, because your car is not tuned to run it, therefore it runs less efficient and less power.

This boost thing they are working on is not new and it will do the same thing alcohol has always done in engines, burn them up fast! It will also not make wheat and corn and other foods grow any faster or in greater abundance so we can make alcohol for fuel and not use up our food supply doing it.

We have 100s, if not 1000s, of years of energy in the ground in the US, Saudi and other African countries have recently found new supplies. We don't need alcohol burning cars, we need to drill, we need the return of capitalism, we need to let free enterprise run.

Anyone who falls for the alcohol and electric car BS is a fool, plain and simple.

156 posted on 05/21/2009 6:33:40 AM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59
Cal...

According to their websites, They are burning small amounts at peak load via Direct Injection to qwell Detonation/pre-ignition to run either higher compression ratios or higher boost, which you know equals evern greater efficency.

Very different than what has been done before.

When a consortium of Ricardo, Bosch and the likes of Ford are testing the concept and the wonks are from MIT to start with, I'd say lets have an look and an open mind.

So if using small amounts of it as a supplement yield BMEP numbers that are way higher than even a Formula One engine I'd say show me more...

160 posted on 05/21/2009 6:42:41 AM PDT by taildragger (Palin / Mulally 2012)
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To: calex59; cbkaty
Cal and CB...

Go to the link below and read their technical description.

If we are making "X" amount of ethanol (and yes I have never been a fan) and can make a piston engine 25 to 30% more efficent, I'd say give it a shot. Not to mention , "what if" we can get the ethanol via a waste source in the near future.

http://www.ethanolboost.com/Technology%20and%20applications.htm#_Using_Ethanol_To_1

162 posted on 05/21/2009 6:56:50 AM PDT by taildragger (Palin / Mulally 2012)
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To: calex59
"Alcohol(ethanol to all young people)"

Don't forget methanol, used by those crazy IndyCar folks.

181 posted on 05/21/2009 8:07:50 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: calex59

Nitro-Methane. Word.


183 posted on 05/21/2009 8:21:08 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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