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To: Godzilla
science cannot explain how it came together via random events.

I agree they haven't nailed it down, but they are moving closer to a plausible explanation: http://www.usnews.com/articles/science/2009/05/13/how-rna-got-started-scientists-examine-the-origins-of-life.html

A ludicrous strawman, as already pointed out no one considers to be valid.

You apparently completely missed my point. I wasn't arguing that anyone believed humans emerged at the Big Bang. What I was saying is that if science had "proved" this had happened (in the same way it has proved what actually happened within seconds after the Big Bang), then this finding would make the idea of a creator more plausible in my mind.

You weren't created a robot, but a person with a free will - free to accept God or reject.

OK, that "explains" evil as a choice made by individuals with free will. I'll even concede that one cannot have free will (which we all highly value) without such choice. What I find problematic is the literally hundreds of millions of innocent victims brutally tortured and/or killed at the hands of these despots. They certainly did NOT choose their fate. Indeed, in some cases they met their fate in spite of or even because of their devotion to God and their abiding by his/her/its commandments. If this was an unanticipated consequence of free will, then it is obvious that God actually is neither omniscient nor omnipotent. Conversely, if this horrific aspect of the exercise of free will was fully contemplated and expected by God, then that calls into question his/her/its benevolence. And if benevolence is in question, then it is fundamentally unclear why anyone would worship him/her/it unless out of abject fear rather than adoration.

189 posted on 05/25/2009 10:11:00 AM PDT by DrC
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To: DrC
I agree they haven't nailed it down, but they are moving closer to a plausible explanation: http://www.usnews.com/articles/science/2009/05/13/how-rna-got-started-scientists-examine-the-origins-of-life.html

Even that study doesn't begin to scratch the surface.

What I was saying is that if science had "proved" this had happened (in the same way it has proved what actually happened within seconds after the Big Bang), then this finding would make the idea of a creator more plausible in my mind.

That is, by definition, a strawman argument, which you later knocked down.

Indeed, in some cases they met their fate in spite of or even because of their devotion to God and their abiding by his/her/its commandments.

What is the comparison of say 30 to infinity?

What I find problematic is the literally hundreds of millions of innocent victims brutally tortured and/or killed at the hands of these despots.

Its called sin and it is ugly. And how many of these despots were those who denied that there is a God???

And if benevolence is in question, then it is fundamentally unclear why anyone would worship him/her/it unless out of abject fear rather than adoration.

Once again, you have to face Jesus Christ, who's self sacrifice made the way for relationship which God out of love, not abject fear - an act of God's initiative, not man's.

190 posted on 05/25/2009 10:39:46 AM PDT by Godzilla (TEA: Taxed Enough Already)
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