Posted on 05/18/2009 8:52:05 AM PDT by BGHater
Those examples, among others, are the reason why such legislation will be batted down as unconstitutional (or damned well ought to be).
I’m curious as to whether, if this legislation becomes law and passes muster in the courts, people who are irritated about this will start reporting well-known anti-gun people to the police, FBI, etc. for suspicious behavior. That would be terrible, getting someone put on the No Fly list, just because they were interested in denying us rights - terrible indeed.
Regards,
GtG
I have an uncle that gets special attention every time he flies because he has a similar name to some guy on the list.
And no, his is an ENTIRELY American name, not “Achmed Jones”.
And also, I dare her to come up with ONE instance of an actual terrorist that would have been stopped by this idea.
That's not the first time. During the '90s in NYC, there was an incident were a family from Utah was visiting to see a tennis tournament, and they got mugged (including one or 2 getting knifed) in the subway. Mayor David Dinkins called for strict gun control as one response to this knifing, the putz.
This type of thing proves that Michael Savage is right: Liberalism IS a mental disorder.
When you see the word “loophole”, automatically substitute the words “legislation written by morons who weren’t able to understand how the legislation was actually going to work in the real world”, which is pretty much everyone in every legislative body across America, including and especially Carolyn McCarthy.
Question is: WHEN will it get to the courts?
IIRC, the "no-fly list" is classified, meaning you can't check to see if your name is on the list. You don't find out about it until you're either denied a boarding pass or (under this atrocity of a bill) a NICS check. Only then do you have "standing" - legal, demonstrable proof that you have been affected by this law. Only then can you, assuming you have the money & inclination to actually pursue this, go forward with a case. The rest of us get to sit back, hoping SOMEONE upstanding and sane with a good lawyer will actually pursue the issue. Then we all get to wait for YEARS as this thing winds thru the courts, with every court under SCOTUS operating on the assumption (as _Heller_ doesn't apply to this) that what Congress hath wrought is Constitutional until SCOTUS decrees otherwise.
This thing passes, we're scrod.
Excellent point.
And he got off the list ONLY because he is extremely well-connected.
You end up on that list, you won’t know until you’re buying a product (gun) or service (flight) - at which point YOU get to spend the >$X0,000 needed to sue your way off the list.
With as many people as you hear getting on their through no fault of their own or because they share the same name I think this is a really really bad idea.
On May 13 Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy and Congressman Steve Israel (NY-02) hosted a press conference to announce the introduction of the No Fly, No Buy Act, which seeks to close the terror gap by preventing people whose names appear on the Transportation Security Administrations terrorist no fly list from being eligible to buy guns.
Mrs. McCarthy is a pathetic excuse for a Congress person. Some nut went on the LIRR killed several people including her husband. The nut had a rifle. This case points up the fact that if some armed upstanding citizen had been on the train, people’s lives would have been saved. She’s been against guns ever since, never once condemning those who commit crimes with guns. Her husband is probably turning over in his grave.
Obviously no background checked involved with this incident.
On Feb. 23, 1997, Ali Abu Kamal opened fire on the observation deck of the Empire State Building with a handgun purchased in Florida in violation of federal law, killing one tourist and wounding six others before killing himself.
Broke the law to buy the pistol. Probably no background check done this time either
On March 1, 1994, Rashid Baz shot and killed 16-year old Ari Halberstam on an on-ramp to the Brooklyn Bridge. Baz was armed with a machine gun, a 9 MM pistol, and a street sweeper shotgun.
Machine guns are highly regulated, wanna bet this one did not go through any Class III dealer, or any other sort? If so, no background check was performed
On Nov. 5, 1990, El Sayed A. Nosair assassinated Rabbi Meir Kahane in a Manhattan hotel with a .357 revolver with a defaced serial number. Nosair was linked to the perpetrators of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
Defaced serial number...why that's illegal, and is indicative that gun laws were broken, and likely that no background check was made this time either.
So, once again, the "feel good" folks try to pass a law that would not have had any effect in the cases they cite as argument for their laws. One again, laws only affect the law abiding, which doesn't include any real terrorists.
How about if someone is on the "watch list", they go to trial, an if convicted, are expelled from the country, perhaps minus an appendage or three.
I guess we have a real bunch of nuts around the country then. Based merely on the Excess of firearms sales over the same period a year earlier. Enough nuts to fill up the Indian and Russian armies. Count all who purchased weapons, or at least ordered them, since October of last year, and there are enough nuts to fill up the Chinese, Russian, Indian, US and several other armies.
Run?
He had a Ruger P-89 9mm handgun.
The shooter is still sucking air, and eating at the expense of New York taxpayers. Notice he did not go on his little rampage in Texas. If he had, he'd be pushing up Indian Paintbrushs.
He very well could have chosen Texas. since he bought the gun in California, in spite of background checks and a 15 day waiting period. Probably more redneck racists in Texas for him to shoot anyway. Commuter railroads are less common though, and were even more so in '93. I guess he could have tried his luck at some cowboy or roughneck bar. :)
Texans would very likely have overpowered him on his first magazine change, not the third, if not before.
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