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What Notre Dame Taught
Takimag ^ | 5/17/09 | Tom Piatak

Posted on 05/17/2009 6:18:19 PM PDT by Thorin

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To: Paved Paradise

So sadly true, that parents sending their kids to Notre Dame have cared far more about its Catholic “cachet” than about what it will actually be teaching said kids. Hello, the church isn’t a club.


41 posted on 05/17/2009 7:01:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Paved Paradise

Jesus suffered the (pardon the term) unspeakable penalty of that day so that the price of evil might be paid and the burden we cannot bear be borne. (It really was unspeakable. There is no literal word for cross employed in the N.T. Greek. The term used is the euphemism “tree.”)


42 posted on 05/17/2009 7:04:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Misterioso; Dr. Sivana; Petronski; ninenot; annalex; ArrogantBustard; ...
Misterioso: More than 50 million unborn infants have been sliced, diced and hamburgerized under the tyranny of SCOTUS and Roe vs. Wade, theoretically under the "rule of law."

What do you think should be the subject of more extensive discussion here than the American holocaust? Balancing the federal budget? Reducing your taxes? Whether Ayn Rand's lifestyle of serial adultery should be a model for America? Curious and eccentric notions about the constitution that have not been honored since Lincoln invaded South Carolina and maybe earlier???

43 posted on 05/17/2009 7:06:33 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Prokopton; proud2beconservativeinNJ; HiTech RedNeck

‘we’ simply was a shortcut to mean the Pro-Life side.

We won the opportunity to tell the Pro-Life story, and bring attention to the issue. Our side did a great job, from the simple protestors, to the gruesome photos, to the arrests.

Minds were changed, hearts were influenced, and NONE of that would have happened if Obama hadn’t been awarded the honorary degree.

The 70% student support? Ignore them, for now they are the lost, in time some will come to our side, but for now they are simply rocks in the road.

We are winning this arguement, little by little. This was one more step forward. It may have been several steps.


44 posted on 05/17/2009 7:07:08 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Willful ignorance is a dangerous attitude.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Certainly foiled any attempt to keep it hushed up!


45 posted on 05/17/2009 7:08:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: proud2beconservativeinNJ
All those parents and students clapping for Obama. Talk of finding common ground and discussing abortion with open hearts and open minds. Only 25-30 students choosing to attend the alternative graduation program. I don't feel like the anti-abortion message prevailed. Evil triumphed and I am saddened by the events at Notre Dame.

Evil thought it triumphed today.

But evil can only triumph if good men do nothing.

Today, the veil was lifted. The curtain was turned back. The outright lies of the President, and the moral vacuum that is Notre Dame, was exposed.

Tonight, millions of good hearted believers everywhere realize that no longer can they be silent. No longer can they stand on the sidelines.

Today was a turning point. We must choose who we will serve, God or Mammon.

We are the ones that must speak the truth to power, that must be the voice of the unborn and the helpless.

We must speak up and defend life and turn the tables on the pro-death and anti-American and anti-Christian forces in our country.

But first, we must gird for the battle. We must pray, and pray hard, for God's strength in this fight.

For we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with the very spirits of evil.

And this battle is not ultimately ours, but God's.

All God asks of us is to be faithful to Him and to be obedient, and to trust Him for the power we need to do the task He gives us.

Evil thought it triumphed at the Cross.

It may be Friday, but Sunday's coming, my friend. Sunday is coming.

46 posted on 05/17/2009 7:09:51 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: Thorin

You know something? I’m tired of this whole chit chat. I understand that the Vatican has said nothing on this. They have stayed out of it.

As far as I’m concerned ND and half of the catholic churches in this country are about money and power.

There are dedicated Catholic followers out there, who apparently hear and see no evil here.

In summary, I think Catholics need to look at themselves. What was the final count of people protesting and not going to the commencement? Did it amount to more than a handfull of people?

This country is not the same country in was ten or twenty or thirty years ago. We are seeing its demise before our eyes folks....

One word says it all...Apathy...


47 posted on 05/17/2009 7:10:46 PM PDT by nikos1121 (We can thank Jimmy Carter for the world as it is today............)
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To: proud2beconservativeinNJ

I forgot to add, look at the bigger picture, millions of people were given an opportunity to chose (mentally) which side they were on. The Lefties aren’t worth your time to worry about them.


48 posted on 05/17/2009 7:11:03 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Willful ignorance is a dangerous attitude.)
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To: BlackElk
Curious and eccentric notions about the constitution that have not been honored since Lincoln invaded South Carolina and maybe earlier???

Whew! You win. I'm outta here.

49 posted on 05/17/2009 7:11:46 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: BlackElk; Jim Robinson

This travesty was very disturbing on a number of levels. Jenkins attacked pro-lifers for "demonizing" opponents. Obama invoked both crackpot modernists, Hesburgh and Bernardin, for his version of "seamless garment" liberation theology, minus the sanctity of life. It was the usual appeal to moral relativism as the supposed higher ground. Then there was the very unfortune slur, the president's reference to "parochial" views. This is ALWAYS code for an anti-Catholic dig. Suggesting "parochial" views are in conflict with a higher ground of "universal" moral relativism.

Jenkins' hysterial speech praising Obama was disgraceful. One of the most disgraceful and shameful moments in Catholic intellectual history and the postconciliar period. It's clear Jenkins' is an hysterical supporter of Obama and shameless liberal. This was absurd from the Stockholm Syndrome valedictorian to the hysterical cheering for Obama.

The other disgusting part was Obama's canard about the boy with diabetes and stem cells. That any Notre Dame student cheered for this line was a damnable indictment of the education going on there. There is NO scientific evidence that embryonic stem cells will EVER cure diabetes. And there are plenty of distinguished medical researchers who will testify to that. That Obama used the ND commencement platform to push for embryonic stem cell research was disgusting, revolting, and grotesque. Diabolical.

One moment of great irony: As Obama started his spin on relativism for abortion you could hear a baby crying in the audience on the Fox News feed. It was eerie. God and the Holy Ghost showed up.

Notre Dame's Kabuki Dance with Obama and the Culture of Death

50 posted on 05/17/2009 7:12:35 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Misterioso

Puzzled the dickens outta you. Hint: the mind set on the flesh cannot grok the difference between good and evil.


51 posted on 05/17/2009 7:15:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: lsucat
"Shame on Fr. Jenkins and shame on Notre Dame. "

"Notre Damned" would be a better name at this point.

52 posted on 05/17/2009 7:17:18 PM PDT by Uncle Sham
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
That any Notre Dame student cheered for this line was a damnable indictment of the education going on there. There is NO scientific evidence that embryonic stem cells will EVER cure diabetes.

O didn't even mention the word "embryonic." Education is so lacking these days that I'll bet even these university grads largely think conservatives are against all stem cell research. We must stop ceding control of language to the left.

53 posted on 05/17/2009 7:17:54 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Trite.


54 posted on 05/17/2009 7:18:19 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Freee-dame

It was Orwellian.
He tries to make baby killing sound "fair-minded." He is a highly gifted sophist.
Harvard should be the next to give him an honorary doctorate: in sophistry.

55 posted on 05/17/2009 7:20:15 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: proud2beconservativeinNJ

Notre Dame is setting up his throne and scepter with a golden crown designed to keep his nose in the air.


56 posted on 05/17/2009 7:22:08 PM PDT by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: nikos1121

Look back 20 years.

20 years ago no one showed up to protest this kind of stuff.

Today millions saw the protests.

20 years ago..........ZERO

We are in the stage of this battle where progress is made every day, not just once or twice a year.

If Obama hadn’t foolishly cooperated with the Pro-Life side to bring attention to this it might have been a zero today too.

We are making so much progess that even the Pro-Abortion side is forced to cooperate.


57 posted on 05/17/2009 7:23:52 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Willful ignorance is a dangerous attitude.)
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To: Misterioso

Call it anything but it’s true


58 posted on 05/17/2009 7:33:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

“If Obama hadn’t foolishly cooperated with the Pro-Life side to bring attention to this it might have been a zero today too.

We are making so much progess that even the Pro-Abortion side is forced to cooperate.”

I’m brain dead tonight. I’m not sure I follow you. Please explain.


59 posted on 05/17/2009 7:35:10 PM PDT by nikos1121 (We can thank Jimmy Carter for the world as it is today............)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Yes, Obummer and Jenkins made a lame attempt to look like they were cooperating.

The result, however, is impossible to hide. It is the urging that no matter how important the matter, that it simply be bumped down to obscurity in favor of other Catholic-favorite social issues. Earth to Mars, Earth to Mars, it is silly to worry more about people’s living CONDITIONS than about their LIVING. The Kumbaya pres__ent will have to learn this the hard way.


60 posted on 05/17/2009 7:38:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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