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To: Toddsterpatriot
There is no guarantee that QE will force long rates down. I do think the idea of buying longer term Treasuries is silly.

I'm glad we agree on that. The market isn't going to win fighting the Fed's QE, but nor is the Fed going to override the market if/when they don't need to. I'm sure Bernanke has every intention of easing up on QE ASAP. But I don't think he realizes the extent to which the market has been betting on his actions versus investing for long term growth. We will probably always disagree (me versus you and BB) on the value of credit to spur long term growth.

122 posted on 05/17/2009 8:50:10 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: palmer; reluctantwarrior; WashingtonSource; Lurker; Keflavik76; gracie1; Sherman Logan; Aliska; ...

Well, had a chance to mull this over.

I don’t think I’m buyin’. Some of the things Orlov says are stages of collapse — and he cites the Soviet Union — never happened in the Soviet Union. There were, for example, never gangs of roving wastelanders. There was not a cultural breakdown.

Southack made a convincing argument that we are in a deflationary phase due to overproduction. I can kinda buy that. Look around — we simply have way too much stuff. We don’t need any more. Even a cheap apartment has in it, several TV’s, lots of furniture, one and maybe two cars outside....

So when the real estate bubble popped, the fear woke people up. “Holy crap!” they exclaimed, “I don’t need a fourth laptop after all!”

And the deleveraging of overconsumption began.

I suspect, like all trends, there will be overcorrection on the other side. We will see shortages, even. But collapse? I’m not seeing it.

Not even Obama can bring a collapse about. Remember the Soviet Union: They were ingrained to be communist and under severe government controls. No amount of prodding could make them change.

The same attains with us. We are deeply capitalistic, and we buck under government control. Obozo will find this out, in time.

I suspect the fact this guy is a Russian also colors his commentary. I don’t expect TEOTWAWKI.


134 posted on 05/17/2009 10:31:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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