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To: Mrs. Don-o

It might be a small point, but Notre Dame is not a Catholic university, it is a Jesuit university that most people identify as Catholic. From my experience, if you ask a Jesuit, “Are you a Jesuit first, or a Catholic first?”, there would be a pause, regardless of what the verbal response would be.


4 posted on 05/16/2009 7:04:03 AM PDT by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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To: Bernard
It might be a small point, but Notre Dame is not a Catholic university, it is a Jesuit university that most people identify as Catholic.

Minor problem - Notre Dame is not Jesuit. Never has been. It's Fathers of the Holy Cross. Completely different French order.

7 posted on 05/16/2009 7:07:56 AM PDT by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue. http://www.thekingsmen.us/)
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To: Bernard

Notre Dame is run by the Congregation of the Holy Cross, not the Jesuits.


8 posted on 05/16/2009 7:08:27 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: Bernard
Your small point is incorrect: Notre Dame was founded, and is still led by, Holy Cross fathers (CSC).

It gets complicated.

It is not under direct Church institutional control --- that is, is incorporated separately, and it does not "belong" to a diocese nor even to the Holy Cross order, but is run by its Board of Trustees.

Nevertheless, its designation as a "Catholic" university is ultimately controlled by the Bishop of Ft. Wayne-South Bend, who has the power it rescind its right to call itself Catholic. It is still, at present, listed in the Kenedy Directory, the official directory of Catholic Institutions in the USA.

9 posted on 05/16/2009 7:10:27 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Bernard
Notre Dame is not a Catholic university, it is a Jesuit university that most people identify as Catholic.

You know what...I'm sorry, but I've got to take umbrage with this as well. The Jesuits are the largest Catholic order in the world, and, yes, have some members who stray from the norm. However, they are the ones who make headlines - the vast majority of them are good, honest Catholics faithful to the Truth.

From my experience, if you ask a Jesuit, “Are you a Jesuit first, or a Catholic first?”, there would be a pause, regardless of what the verbal response would be.

Possibly because they subsist in one another. If I asked you "are you a patriot first, or an American first?" you'd probably pause as well.

Sorry, but, as the product of eight years of Jesuit education, I feel the need to defend the Society at times.

23 posted on 05/16/2009 7:14:35 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: Bernard
They'd tell you they are liberation theologists first. The Jesuits are not Catholic in my opinion and Notre Dame has not been for a long long time. I canceled my Catholic Herald Citizen subscription probably at least 20 yrs. ago because the carried the ramblings of Fr. McBride( I think that was his name) a pro abort puke from Notre Dame.
110 posted on 05/16/2009 8:20:25 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: Bernard

To give you some perspective as to what a Jesuit does ... one of my distant relatives was a Jesuit priest and his story is told at http://www.archive.org/stream/anamericanmissio00judguoft


239 posted on 05/16/2009 10:38:24 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Bernard
Bernard, Jesuit's are members of the Roman Catholic church. Notre Dame is a Catholic institution. Attended by the most part by Catholic's. Notre Dame receives funding from Catholic foundations.

From their website;

This statement speaks of the University of Notre Dame as a place of teaching and research, of scholarship and publication, of service and community. These components flow from three characteristics of Roman Catholicism that image Jesus Christ, his Gospel, and his Spirit. A sacramental vision encounters God in the whole of creation. In and through the visible world in which we live, we come to know and experience the invisible God. In mediation the Catholic vision perceives God not only present in but working through persons, events, and material things. There is an intelligibility and a coherence to all reality, discoverable through spirit, mind, and imagination. God's grace prompts human activity to assist the world in creating justice grounded in love. God's way to us comes as communion, through the communities in which men and women live. This community includes the many theological traditions, liturgies, and spiritualities that fashion the life of the Church. The emphasis on community in Catholicism explains why Notre Dame historically has fostered familial bonds in its institutional life.

A Catholic university draws its basic inspiration from Jesus Christ as the source of wisdom and from the conviction that in him all things can be brought to their completion. As a Catholic university, Notre Dame wishes to contribute to this educational mission.

265 posted on 05/16/2009 11:11:40 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Bernard

Fresh off of two semesters of Church History... that is way beyond splitting hairs... The Jesuits are who? They are a religious order of the Catholic Church. There were in history, quite literally, the foot soldiers of the Pope. They were, to make a long story short, established to fight against the sweeping Protestant Reformation.


390 posted on 05/16/2009 9:28:19 PM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: Bernard
"....it is a Jesuit university that most people identify as Catholic."

I think that you might be thinking of Georgetown University. Notre Dame is not a Jesuit institution.

400 posted on 05/17/2009 2:10:43 AM PDT by Mila
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To: Bernard

Not Jesuit. It is rund by the Holy Cross order and a “lay” board of directors..


401 posted on 05/17/2009 3:06:37 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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