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To: BarnacleCenturion

I think to some people here a political view is not acceptable unless it’s adhered to since birth. By that standard, it would be pretty darn hard for anyone to convert to Christianity (just to take one example) since such conversions could be seen as “flip-flopping”.

Some people here won’t accept agreement from others unless the others have met some historical prerequisites.

That not only sucks for the Republican Party, but it sucks for conservativism, too.

You can’t be a conservative because you weren’t a conservative before.

What a great standard to hold people to.


18 posted on 05/15/2009 5:41:13 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman
You can’t be a conservative because you weren’t a conservative before.

No that isn't the standard. The standard is that you MUST govern like a conservative before we TRUST you when you SAY you will govern like a conservative. Politicians say things that are lies, and when what they SAY contradicts what they DID they are LYING. Until there is PROOF (that's the doing part) there is no reason to trust what a politician says he WILL do.

But that's all too complicated for Mittbots, they'd rather say I just hate Mormons.....

25 posted on 05/15/2009 6:11:45 PM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: samtheman
You can’t be a conservative because you weren’t a conservative before.

Romney isn't a conservative now. PAY ATTENTION TO ROMNEY. Even now, he betrays conservative principle with regard to limited government, though he swears up and down that his big government "solutions" are somehow "free market" and "free choice." He's voted for gun control; he's supported gay "rights" which are really just a ploy to take away our rights to discriminate against open homosexuality (not gays, but open homosexuality -- two different things) in personal choice regarding who you hire, who you fire, who you work with, even who leads your kid's boy scout troop. THAT'S ROMNEY, and it's the antithesis of conservatism. He's supported government controlled health insurance meddling and decision making for individuals, although he swears up and down that all free market and free choice -- a lie, and THAT'S ROMNEY. He totally endorses the concept of "cap and trade" carbon regulation having an overriding global authority to dictate to nations the development, production, and consumption of energy, which means allowing a global authority to dictate individual and national rights to prosperity. THAT'S ROMNEY.

If a guy is all for:
-- Government meddling in relationships between individuals, employers, health insurance and health care
-- Forcing Americans to accept open homosexuality in their midst, in schools, in the military, and in the workplace
-- Giving overriding authority over energy production and use in America to other nations

... then that person is a liberal leftist. Just because his happens to be a registered Republican and anti-abortion doesn't mean he's a conservative. It just means he's a leftist who fails to understand conservative principle and is a registered Republican who is anti-abortion.

28 posted on 05/15/2009 6:29:24 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: samtheman
Q: Are you still for the Brady Bill?

A: The Brady Bill has changed over time, and, of course, technology has changed over time. I would have supported the original assault weapon ban. I signed an assault weapon ban in Massachusetts governor because it provided for a relaxation of licensing requirements for gun owners in Massachusetts, which was a big plus. And so both the pro-gun and the anti-gun lobby came together with a bill, and I signed that. And if there is determined to be, from time to time, a weapon of such lethality that it poses a grave risk to our law enforcement personnel, that’s something I would consider signing. There’s nothing of that nature that’s being proposed today in Washington. But I would look at weapons that pose extraordinary lethality.

Source: Meet the Press: 2007 “Meet the Candidates” series Dec 16, 2007

He said this a whole 17 months ago. I will never trust that a grown man who has held a governorship that says this has had any change of heart. Lots more at the link.

31 posted on 05/15/2009 6:42:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: samtheman
I think to some people here a political view is not acceptable unless it’s adhered to since birth. By that standard, it would be pretty darn hard for anyone to convert to Christianity (just to take one example) since such conversions could be seen as “flip-flopping”.

When a politician is one thing all of his life and then at almost age 60 when he wants to switch to a national race he switches on so many fundamental things, then we don't have to accept it.

Romney didn't just soften his stance on an issue or two, or only have a pro life epiphany, he became an entirely different person and even attempted to rewrite his past, and the lying is compulsive, we have never seen anything like it in the Republican party.

45 posted on 05/15/2009 7:40:19 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: samtheman

“You can’t be a conservative because you weren’t a conservative before.”

I voted for Jimmy Carter. How’s that for a flip-flop?

Please don’t try to make sense of the Romney bashing. The bashers don’t even know why they hate him so much. But if you defend Romney, you will be banned from this site. I’ve decided to deal with it in a 12-step program. You know, the serenity prayer.

But thanks for trying.


114 posted on 05/21/2009 9:17:09 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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