[r9etb]

You have refuted your point in your own statement, i.e., without an action it doesn't matter what urges you have.

If, however, you want to engage in a grown-up discussion about those actions, you would be well-advised to consider the basis for them, rather than pretending that they're random.

[Lucky Dog]

If, however, you want to engage in a grown-up discussion about those actions, you would be well-advised to consider the basis for them, rather than pretending that they're random. [Emphasis added]

Don't you agree that petty insults are somewhat less that grown up.

To your point: I do not need to consider the basis for the actions of thief to know that they are wrong or that the perpetrator should sanctioned for such. Nor do I need to consider such bases to assess that there is a negative impact upon individuals and society from these actions. Furthermore, I do not need to pretend that these bases are random. Practically speaking, all that is needed is a way of deterring such.

If it can be said of homosexual behavior that there is a negative impact upon individuals and society from these actions, then the same logic applies.