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How Did Government Get So Involved in Education?
The Case for Separation ^

Posted on 05/11/2009 8:06:40 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan

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To: ansel12
...on an irrelevant four year old thread...

1. YOUR comment was topically irrelevent to THIS thread.

2. Neither education nor immigration are even remotely irrelevent TODAY, though the former is the ONLY relevent topic of THIS thread.

41 posted on 05/11/2009 10:03:53 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: ansel12
Let me clarify...Conservatism has variants...Libertarianism has variants as well...all I wanted to do was show you that there wasn't a monolithic libertarian position for open borders. You said I was "pretending" when I wasn't trying to do no such thing...and I'm completely opposed to "open borders" and unrestricted immigration. I'm tired of being mired in this conservative versus libertarian conflict....the larger issue of the size and scope of government...there is a lot of overlap. I remember this article by Ann Coulter on her problem with the Connecticut Libertarian Party.

* George Washington, in a letter to John Adams, stated that immigrants should be absorbed into American life so that "by an intermixture with our people, they, or their descendants, get assimilated to our customs, measures, laws: in a word soon become one people."

* In a 1790 speech to Congress on the naturalization of immigrants, James Madison stated that America should welcome the immigrant who could assimilate, but exclude the immigrant who could not readily "incorporate himself into our society."

* In 1802, Alexander Hamilton wrote: "The safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits; on the exemption of the citizens from foreign bias and prejudice; and on that love of country which will almost invariably be found to be closely connected with birth, education and family."

* Hamilton further warned that "The United States have already felt the evils of incorporating a large number of foreigners into their national mass; by promoting in different classes different predilections in favor of particular foreign nations, and antipathies against others, it has served very much to divide the community and to distract our councils. It has been often likely to compromise the interests of our own country in favor of another.

"The permanent effect of such a policy will be, that in times of great public danger there will be always a numerous body of men, of whom there may be just grounds of distrust; the suspicion alone will weaken the strength of the nation, but their force may be actually employed in assisting an invader."

* The survival of the American republic, Hamilton maintained, depends upon "the preservation of a national spirit and a national character." "To admit foreigners indiscriminately to the rights of citizens the moment they put foot in our country would be nothing less than to admit the Grecian horse into the citadel of our liberty and sovereignty."

We are not a nation of immigrants. We are first and foremost a nation of laws. The U.S. Constitution does not say that the paramount duty of government is to "celebrate diversity" or to "embrace multiculturalism" or to give "every willing worker" in the world a job. The Preamble to the U.S. Constitution says the Constitution was established "to provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty."

As our Founding Fathers recognized, fulfilling these fundamental duties is impossible without an orderly immigration and entrance system that discriminates in favor of those willing, as George Washington put it, to "get assimilated to our customs, measures [and] laws."

A NATION OF LAWS by Michelle Malkin

42 posted on 05/11/2009 10:04:48 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: Talisker

I posted to a poster that did a Libertarian Party ping, pay attention.

I didn’t single out the immigration thing, someone else did, pay attention.


43 posted on 05/11/2009 10:06:30 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: Clintonfatigued

everyone needs to read The Underground History of American Education by John Taylor Gatto and A Thomas Jefferson Education by Oliver Van DeMille...


44 posted on 05/11/2009 10:09:40 PM PDT by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: ansel12

You posted it to me - and I am telling you - pay attention to what you post, and what posts you respond to.

Pay attention - and be courteous - you may learn something. (Or, you may chose not to - your decision.)


45 posted on 05/11/2009 10:10:31 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: coloradan
Government being involved in education is a conflict of interest, in a democracy. Because education shapes voters, which shape government.

I don't know if I can agree with that statement.

Democracy is the precursors to Socialism, which leads then to communism.

So shaping voters seems like a standard goal of democracies.

Constitutionally Republics, like the United States, function in a totally different manner.

The 10th Amendment specifically gives the Federal Government no say in education, it belongs to the state.

46 posted on 05/11/2009 10:13:21 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

We weren’t filled up back then, my interest is in revealing to people what the little libertarian party of less than 226,000 registrants really represents since most people don’t know.

People need to learn what the leftist part of the little libertarian party is, meaning they need to see the platform, because libertarians will BS them until the cows come home.


47 posted on 05/11/2009 10:13:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12

Well, since you keep referencing me...I’ll respond since I’m that poster...there was a ‘libertarian ping’ by a poster on this thread as a opposed to a ‘libertarian “party” ping’ and you posted about there platform, which included immigration.


48 posted on 05/11/2009 10:17:01 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: yorkie

You posted it to me - and I am telling you - pay attention to what you post, and what posts you respond to.

Pay attention - and be courteous - you may learn something. (Or, you may chose not to - your decision.)


Where did I post to you before 33?


49 posted on 05/11/2009 10:17:55 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Yeah, you jumped in and starting going off about immigration and since you were posting to me I started responding after the second time you pinged me.


50 posted on 05/11/2009 10:19:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12

I replied to your post #15. I merely stated that I was pinging myself - but, not because of what you posted. I am truly interested in this subject, but found your post not quite (at all) in line with my understanding of the Libertarian thinking. Tha’s all.


51 posted on 05/11/2009 10:24:01 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: yorkie
You posted this to me. "I am pinging myself to this link for further research and study - but it won’t be because of your “libertarian Party Platform ping”

I corrected you by pointing out that I did not do a “libertarian Party Platform ping" after that I don't know what you started posting about.

52 posted on 05/11/2009 10:29:51 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Good post.

The quotes in my tagline ref affirm that the goal has been all along . . . prying children loose from parents; watering down to preventing significant parental influence and brain washing the cogs in the globalist wheels toward the tyrannical world government.

If you haven’t, please read the quotes from 1900 to present—or at least a quote or two per screen full.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81


53 posted on 05/11/2009 10:32:55 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Government is primarily involved for the purpose of indoctrination. Education is secondary.


54 posted on 05/11/2009 10:38:42 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: ansel12; yorkie

I like the sheepdog, sheep, wolf story every time I read it.

I also like Yorkie.

I don’t think brittleness is particularly necessary. We CAN walk on by without getting our egos in a fluff.


55 posted on 05/11/2009 11:08:02 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Short solution:
Any parent who has abused a child during the past 40 years through institutionalization of the child in a government school should be sentenced to 20 years in prison without parole.

When released the parent should be required to register as a child abuser, have to permanently wear a tracking device, and never be allowed within 100 yards of any child.

These people are the the reason that we have lost most of our freedoms & liberties. They are a far worse enemy than any foreign entity.

56 posted on 05/11/2009 11:15:41 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Quix

Now you are posting odd, nothing in post 50 is about yorkie.


57 posted on 05/11/2009 11:23:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12
Ok - since we are being so astute - my fault - it wasn't a ping - it was a post. My bad.

Nothing against you - just your #15 post, and I see that you aren't exactally 'forever friends' with other posters, by reading your following pings posts.

LOL!

58 posted on 05/11/2009 11:26:08 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: yorkie

You were the one lecturing me for no reason.


59 posted on 05/11/2009 11:28:51 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: Quix

Thanks, my friend. After reading some of the posts by this poster, I have decided it is no longer possible to have a cognizant conversation with such.

Time to turn in - have a wonderful Tuesday!


60 posted on 05/11/2009 11:32:42 PM PDT by yorkie
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