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World War 2: The debate goes on
Pravda ^ | 11.05.2009 | Stanislav Mishin

Posted on 05/10/2009 11:52:38 PM PDT by pobeda1945

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To: pobeda1945
Funny. Somehow they managed to leave the part about the Bolsheviks invading Poland shortly after the formation of the Soviet Union and continuously threatening it from the day of its creation to the day they finished its conquest.

As for the crap about Germans soldiers being left to freeze in fields, well, I'd just call that projection.

61 posted on 05/11/2009 7:24:12 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: AppyPappy

Common sense would have also dictated providing warm winter clothing invading a country with such harsh conditions.

I do, however, contend that the logistics of invading a country the size of the USSR (3x the size of the US) along with its infamously notorious weather conditions made the possibility of success very remote. As advanced as Germany was compared to Russia, the Russians had a virtually inexhaustable supply of troops and resources compared to the Germans.

Hitler should have learned from Napoleon’s greatest mistake. Napoleon lost over half a million men invading Russia which were simply astronomical figures for the early 1800s especially relative to the population of France at that time.


62 posted on 05/11/2009 7:27:57 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Welcome2thejungle

Russia had the same inexhaustable supply of troops and resources in World War 1 and they folded. I bet Hitler was counting on the same.


63 posted on 05/11/2009 7:30:06 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Cronos
The extreme historical illiterates are, unfortunately, in the majority, especially in Holly wood.

The "Private Ryan" movie seemed to give some young victims of our educational system the idea that WWII equalled D-Day and the rest of the war was anti-climax or preliminaries. Given the lack of real historical appreciation today, any attention to history is welcome, but the Normandy invasion was just another battle in a long hard, global war.

64 posted on 05/11/2009 7:50:41 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Moose Burger

ping.


65 posted on 05/11/2009 8:47:55 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Cronos

I think the second point is equally as valid. Of course, we would have developed nuclear weapons WITHOUT the Soviets being involved, and that would have ended the war anyway.


66 posted on 05/11/2009 9:07:43 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: Cronos

I agree with everything you say, but even if the Japanese had overrun India and China I don’t think it would have made a bit of difference in the naval war and once the Imperial Navy was defeated Japan was defeated, for all intents and purposes.


67 posted on 05/11/2009 9:25:06 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (AGWT is very robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it at the 100% confidence level.)
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To: ExGeeEye

I lost 15 years with my math calculations


68 posted on 05/11/2009 9:38:21 AM PDT by KingNo155
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Al Jazeera? no I do not agree with you on that.

Pravda Covers Obama better then our papers do. Pravda covers the WOT, Kosovo and a few other wars better then our papers.

Pravda usually always fails when it comes to Science and history.

69 posted on 05/11/2009 11:36:22 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: pobeda1945
“During the wars in Ukraine, the Poles massacred somewhere between 500,000 and 1.5 million Russian POWs that they had taken.”

LOL !

“Poland also invaded Lithuania capturing and holding Tallinn.”

LOL !!!1 Tallinn in Lithuania ? Has this retard ever seen the map of Europe ?

70 posted on 05/11/2009 12:41:18 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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> Al Jazeera? no I do not agree with you on that.

Fair enough — I wouldn’t have thought it an obvious choice in the US. It gets broadcast DownUnder at around 10 PM via its London studios, and believe it or not its news services are excellent. And its weather services — for the South Pacific at least — are usually reasonably accurate. And, as an enemy media source, you would expect that their editorial content is biased, and it is. But it is quite clearly demarcated from their news services, which tend to just report the facts.

In all, not a bad effort. I would guess they have all the funding they could possibly want, so it is no surprise that their service is well-presented as well.

If I had to guess, I’d say they were probably trying to mimic the BBC from 30+ years ago. They appear to have got it pretty close.


71 posted on 05/11/2009 1:11:37 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: pobeda1945
Between 1918 and 1924, Poland invaded all of its neighbors with the exception of Germany.

Oh, dear, this little slice of history taken out of context won't do at all. The Partition of Poland took place in 1795 and the Russians were one of the occupiers of formerly Polish territory, the others being Germany and the Austro-Hungarian Empire. After 123 years of occupation the Poles wanted their territory back. After the armistice in WWI practically everyone was fighting to re-establish borders - from the Wiki article:

With the collapse of Russian and German occupying authorities, virtually all of the newly independent neighbours began fighting over borders: Romania fought with Hungary over Transylvania, Yugoslavia with Italy over Rijeka, Poland with Czechoslovakia over Cieszyn Silesia, with Germany over Poznań and with Ukrainians over Eastern Galicia. Ukrainians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Estonians and Latvians fought against each other and against the Russians, who were just as divided.

We'd have to recall here that not only did Poland invade the Ukraine, the Soviet Russians did as well, and managed to throw the Polish back out and occupy that place themselves. It took fifteen years and a major starvation campaign for the Soviets finally to stamp out Ukrainian nationalism, at least for the time. The Soviets ended up pressing the matter to the gates of Warsaw, where they were roundly defeated.

Quite a lot going on there. To couch that as a simple Polish invasion is so far from the truth you can't even see it from there.

72 posted on 05/11/2009 1:44:01 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: pobeda1945

Revisionist bulls**t


73 posted on 05/17/2009 9:36:43 AM PDT by lizol
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To: pobeda1945

Wow.

So much utter BS. So little time.


74 posted on 05/17/2009 9:40:39 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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