Posted on 05/10/2009 11:52:38 PM PDT by pobeda1945
Pravda should start publishing in the New York Times. Nobody would be able to tell the difference.
Wow, talk abou rewriting history. I don’t know where to begin. Ah, what’s the point?
Quite true, but nobody in the West overlooks the scale of the Eastern front except extreme historical illiterates. Pravda is misrepresenting the Western viewpoint to produce an easily maligned straw man and raise a point of artificial irritation.
The War in Europe actually turned on the strategic bombing campaign. It was the British and American destruction of Germany’s war industry, beginning in 1942, that weakened Hitler’s eastern front. American and British victory in the Battle of the Atlantic also cleared the way for massive supply shipments to the Russian port of Murmansk.
There was no strategic bombing campaign in World War 1, and Russia lost that war- signing the humilitating Treaty of Brest-Litovsk which ceded huge chunks of The Ukraine and White Russia to Germany and Austria.
Were it not for the courageous sacrifice of American and British airmen flying heavy bombers deep into the heart of Germany without fighter protection, or British and American sailors and merchant marines risking the sea, weather and the U-Boat Wolf Packs to round the top of Norway, Russia would have fallen.
WWII ended in 1961?
Kinda reminds me of the romance between Barry O and the media.
A fire storm was created that would reach up to 6km into the air I call BS
My guess is that this is the sort of stuff that's going to be making its way into the next generation of history text books, and will be taught in the government run schools.
When will Bill Ayres be nominated as Secretary of Education?
Mark
Would the war have eventually been won without the Americans, their navy and their industrial power?
No.
Would the war eventually have been won without the Soviets?
Yes.
Add to that the fact that the Soviets had no interest in "liberating" the Nazi-occupied countries of Europe. They just wanted to beat the Nazis and take Germany - and they would've taken as much of continental Europe as possible, too.
May 2009 - 64years = May 1945 The start of the aftermath of the War in Europe. Japan stays in the fight until August, another 3 months of brutal fighting.
Within the next 5 years in Europe we would have the Soviet-demanded repatriation of POWs, the vast majority going to the Gulags but many killed outright. In January, 1945, we have Raoul Wallenberg disappearing into Soviet custody and death for WHAT CRIME? We have the independent countries of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania swallowed by the Soviet Bear. We have the Iron Curtain: "From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic ..."
There is a shockingly good new 3 part, 6 hour series on PBS, "WWII Behind Closed Doors: Stalin, the Nazis and the West", which unfortunately already (in my market) had the history of the "Nonaggression Pact". No mention in this Pravda piece of the Katyn Forest massacre of 21k+ Polish POWs from the partition of Poland in 1940.
I could go on and on but let me leave it at this. In 1945 the Soviet Union, having barely survived a series of historical and frequently self-inflicted blunders that led to multiple millions of WASTED deaths, chose to proceed down a path that entirely alienated it from its WW2 Allies. It's goals were to 1st, protect Mother Russia from any possible repeat of a land invasion; 2nd, to conquer, by any and every means, all of Europe; and 3rd, to convert the entire world to Marxism. All of these goals were at the beck and call of one of history's most despicable men, Josef Stalin, a severely paranoid man, who in the pursuit of ultimate power, killed friends & family as easily as political rivals and enemies.
In that light, anybody who suggests that "... the West avoid the same mistakes as of 64 years ago" either needs to look in the mirror or that we learn not play nice with expansionist Russian Tyrants!
While the efforts of individual Russians in the war should not be diminshed, their leaders should have been strung up. Since Stalin executed much of the Army's senior leadership, the Red Army's plan was to waste as many men as possible in the face of the Germans. It worked, but competent leaders might have saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers and civilians.
Myth 5: America won the war against the Japanese almost single-handedly.
Outside of the fact that British, Australian, French, Danish and Indian forces tied down over a third of the Japanese army both on the islands and throughout SE Asia, through out the duration of the war, an accomplishment, without which the US victories on the islands would have been impossible.
The Chinese also tied down a huge amount of Japanese forces, as well as various local tribal contingents, who did their part.
However, Japan's biggest defeats were from the Russian army. That's right, these were no Iwo Jimas where some 30 or 40 thousands Japanese were holed up on an island and surrounded from all sides. The battles in 1939 and again in 1945 defeated two full Japanese armies in Manchuka (Manchuria) and paved first for the Japanese southern drive in 1939, thus allowing for the halting of Hitler's drive on Moscow in 1941 and then collapsed the Japanese mainland war effort with the defeat of some 500,000 Japanese forces in Manchuria.
Though these myths are insulting and invasive upon the real history of that great tragedy, it is the total revisionism of the war by several EU nations that is most disturbing. In the Baltics, there is absolute revisionism, creating heroes out of the murderers of the Nazi regime. This is not some fringe movement, but one financed and backed by the local governments.
Then there is the US/EU puppet in Ukraine, Yushinko, who openly praises the western Ukrainian SS auxiliaries as national heroes. There must be some Jews and Orthodox Christians left in Lvov some where, getting Yushinko's blood into a rage.
Similar issues have come up in Croatia, Hungary and recently in Moldova, with Romanian support.
It is time to take the many excellent Russian movies about the Patriotic War and translate them into English, German and French and launch them into the West. Maybe the knowledge will help the West avoid the same mistakes as of 64 years ago.
Who are they trying to fool? Stalin attacked the Japanese forces because if he didn't, he would have lost access to the Pacific coast. That was part of the Yalta agreement. The Soviets attacked a Japanese Army that had been beaten down for four years by the U.S. Army and Navy. The first battle in 1939 was fought to a draw, although it convinced the Japanese to leave the Soviets alone.
It's sad that they omit the contribution of Richard Sorge, one of the legitimate holders of the title, "Hero of the Soviet Union." Sorge kept Moscow apprised of Japanese intentions and allowed the Soviets to focus on Germany. If the Soviets split thier forces to counter Japan, the war in the west might not have gone for the Reds.
If it Hitler had spent as much time studying Napoleon has he did Frederick the Great, he would have never invaded Russia to begin with. True, the Germans fielded a vastly superior army and Stalin had shot most of his generals.
But how do you invade and occupy a country that takes up 1/8th of the world’s landmass (9 time zones, over nine million square miles)and the most brutally harsh climatic conditions on the planet?
Even Hitler’s most sychophantic general, Field Marshall Keitel strenuously argued against invading the USSR, and he rarely opposed Hitler on any thing.
Yes, however, don’t forget that the Brits and the Indians kept the Japanese off the eastern borders of India and the Chinese also kept Japan quite tied down. the US was the main (>80%) of the win against Japan, but it wasn’t a single-handed win.
If you look at the posting history, it is mostly about Russia this....or Russia that. And a lot of revisionist history.
I think the German’s goal was to take the oil fields and Moscow. The Russians would be so far back on their heels that they would sue for peace. The Germans big problem was the length of the supply lines and Hitler’s ineptness which showed at Stalingrad.
Thanks for the laugh.
You funny. No chance survive make your time.
Main screen turn on.
someone set you up the bomb.
I think I’ll go make a cheeze sandwich
and eat it in the shower.
Yeah, like they wanted to string up Eisenhower at the time.
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