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1 posted on 05/09/2009 7:12:49 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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This measure doesn't consider the weight of law, custom and the complex social ramifications involved in bestowing and withdrawing citizenship. It's just simplistic and mean.

He said with a lisp.

Let's turn the tables. What is it about illegal immigration that turns otherwise reasonable Americans into Quislings?

2 posted on 05/09/2009 7:16:22 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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They should try Mexicos policies on illegal aliens! What a bunch of crap.


3 posted on 05/09/2009 7:17:47 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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Amnesty Pushers Concoct Six Straw Men
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2247520/posts


4 posted on 05/09/2009 7:18:09 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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Sounds like a winner to me, but it will never be enacted — even if passed by the people — in California. It’s a non starter..


5 posted on 05/09/2009 7:19:33 AM PDT by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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The will of the people (REAL U.S. CITIZENS) means nothing to the government of California. Why waste the time??


7 posted on 05/09/2009 7:23:02 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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Once again the LA Times displays its true loyalties: not to Americans, and Americans’ best interests, but to people from other countries who break our laws and become parasites on the taxpayers. I hope enough people in California have the guts to get this passed. It should have been the law long ago, and had it been, perhaps California wouldn’t have gone broke as fast and as deeply as it has. This is yet another exhibit of why the LA Times, like so many other newspapers, is circling the drain.


8 posted on 05/09/2009 7:23:16 AM PDT by La Lydia
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“What is it about illegal immigration that unhinges otherwise reasonable people”

It is about race. No one would be mad if they were white russian or irish illegals (oh that’s right, no one is mad about the russian or irish illegals).


9 posted on 05/09/2009 7:24:57 AM PDT by staytrue
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And the truly despicable thing is that not a single member of the LA Times’ editorial board lives within 3 miles of a criminal alien and only has contact with such individuals when they need yard work or their tie-died T shirts dry cleaned.

No doubt they'd have no problem with every one of them being replaced on the board by these criminals....at one-twentieth the salary.

10 posted on 05/09/2009 7:25:21 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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legalizing discrimination

Ok if this is legalizing discrimination against illegals then are laws against bank robbery discriminating against bank robbers? Idiots!! Illegal immigration is illegal and attempting to pass laws do deal with it are not discrimination; it is an attempt to regulate an illegal activity.

Some are so stupid they swallow this crap- but what makes me angry are people who know it has nothing to do with discrimination and use that to gain support for illegal immigration issues. Why don't these people just tell the truth- they are for illegal immigration. Talking around the bush is just a ploy to keep the support of the people who aren't that smart. Just as the Pro-Choice people will not say they are pro-abortion...pro-choice surely isn't about what flavor of ice cream to buy so why don't they admit what it is they are supporting. The double speak is annoying.

12 posted on 05/09/2009 7:35:15 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support & pray for our Troops; they serve us every day. Veterans are heroes not terrorists!)
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What is it about the water they drink in Southern Californa that makes LA Times editors so moronic?


13 posted on 05/09/2009 7:42:33 AM PDT by Zathras
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that's no excuse for legalizing discrimination

1) It is fitting and proper that we "discriminate" against criminals. By definition, criminals put themselves outside the law and thus cannot claim all the sympathies a society accords its more just members.

2) It is also no excuse for legalizing illegality. These immigrants are in the country illegally and are not legal beneficiaries of our largesse.

3) The assistance provided these illegals robs legitimate citizens, who then absorb the suffering while doing nothing to earn it. It is grossly unfair that law-abiding citizens be burdened with the care of lawbreakers.

16 posted on 05/09/2009 7:47:41 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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How about illegal immigrant mothers deported with children within 24 hours?

Police at all ERs and medical clinics with orders to check citizenship. Same results for illegals.

Do that for a month and you would see the illegals flee on their own and you could reduce and then eliminate the police presence at medical facilities.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

18 posted on 05/09/2009 7:53:57 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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At least the citizens are trying. The initiative wouldn’t be necessary if the legislature were responsive to the public.


19 posted on 05/09/2009 8:05:13 AM PDT by Birch T. Barlow (Go Mariners! Certain 2009 AL West champions!)
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But that's no excuse for legalizing discrimination, which is precisely what would happen under a state ballot initiative now in the signature-gathering stage and targeted for next year's June election. If passed, it would require all parents of newborns in California to prove U.S. citizenship or legal residency in order to receive their baby's birth certificate. Those who could not would have to pay a $75 fee for a certificate noting the child's "Birth to a Foreign Parent."

I fail to see how this is "discrimination", much less how it legalizes such. I do know the difference between "to be discriminate" and "discrimination", though. To be discriminate is to be selective based on experience and knowledge; discrimination is stereo-typing based on race, etc. and having no provable substance to it.

And finally, in willful ignorance of previous California Supreme Court rulings, the measure would attempt to deny health benefits to illegal immigrants.

This statement is quite laughable, as the the LAT itself calls for the wanton disregard of the people's will and laws they pass (Prop. 8, for example). For the LAT and their ilk, the people are above the government, not the other way around.

Funny, how the LAT will call for the people to disregard what the government says when it suits them, but attempt to tell them they must obey the law when they (the LAT) agrees with it.

20 posted on 05/09/2009 8:05:19 AM PDT by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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a certificate noting the child's "Birth to a Foreign Parent."

Cutting off a whole lot of future presidential candidates I assume.

21 posted on 05/09/2009 8:06:16 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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If we're not supposed to discriminate as to who belongs on which side of our borders, they why did the Left make such a big deal of Bush invading other countries? Wasn't he just refusing to discriminate based on border?

-PJ

22 posted on 05/09/2009 8:21:41 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (This just in... Voting Republican is a Terrorist act!)
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If passed, it would require all parents of newborns in California to prove U.S. citizenship or legal residency in order to receive their baby's birth certificate. Those who could not would have to pay a $75 fee for a certificate noting the child's "Birth to a Foreign Parent."

I'm for it way to go!!!I didn't knock you up and you are not my problem.

23 posted on 05/09/2009 8:22:48 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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What is it about libtard newspapers that make them constantly attack the very country that allows them to spew their endless evil. You guys are about done. What you are is on display for all to see. Libtards and commies came to power by fooling the American people. They are not fooled anymore.
24 posted on 05/09/2009 8:23:06 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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What a surprise that a sane, survival oriented, will of the people ballot initiative that should have been the law of the land throughout, is seen as “mean” by the culture of death pansies at the LA Times.

“We are broke, and everyone that pays taxes is fleeing the state, so let’s not do anything to upset the applecart.”


25 posted on 05/09/2009 8:26:47 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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Oh, and one last thing — if everything else was exactly the same, but Mexico was populated by white, Christian families instead of noble protected brown people, there would be no issues whatsoever with enforcing existing laws, “breaking up families”, and sealing the border ... the LA Times would be completely mute on the subject.


27 posted on 05/09/2009 8:31:35 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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