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To: ex 98C MI Dude
Let's see: I own the business, it is mine. I own the parking lot, it is mine, along with your place of employment, right?

Assuming you are not a slave (which makes the argument moot), but an employee voluntarily choosing to work for my company which of my work rules do you get to ignore? Any employer can set up work rules that don't allow you to post or have personal property at work, photos, etc. You agree that is normal and acceptable?

So now we have two rights in conflict, no? Your right to self defense (you are not claiming a right to be employed are you? You also recognize that I am not taking your property, a gun in this case, correct?) and my right to property (by default I lose my rights if I lose control of my property, agreed?).

FRiend, I swing no fist. You are still at liberty to come to work, voluntarily, and choose to either follow the work rules or not. If not, you're fired. Find other employment.

Now, you get a politician to pass a law you like that limits my exercise of liberty over my property and business. That sounds like and is socialism. The NRA is shortsighted on this one, but their purview is narrow.

It is up to us freedom loving individuals to preserve liberty. BTW, I am an NRA life member.

10 posted on 05/09/2009 8:28:28 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
Did you make and post a rule that all vehicles in your lot will be subject to search?
11 posted on 05/09/2009 8:55:44 AM PDT by Dust in the Wind (Lord protect us from our overseers)
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To: 1010RD
Which property right are you claiming to lose? I have seen the multitude of these threads where business owners claim that they lose property rights when someone else has a gun. The ‘right’ to control what goes on at your business? That right doesn't exist. Never has! You open up a business, you agree to abide by state rules on all manner of things.

Now, you may set up rules that your employees must abide by, but that ‘right’ is seriously restricted by the state. You cannot demand that females come to work topless, can you? So your ‘control’ is illusory at best anyway. And I have yet to see a rational argument as to how you ‘lose control’ of your property if people have personal firearms in their personal vehicles. You are claiming sovereignty over the property of others by dint of its mere presence in your ‘realm’. Again, you are swinging your fist. Your ‘default’ that you somehow lose your property if you cannot strip others of their inherent rights is so inane it is pitiful. It is your desire to control that is causing the conflict. And I would fully back a bill that would hold employers partially responsible if they stripped their employees right to self-defense from them in the employers quest to control, and that employee is harmed by crime going to or from work. You want control? Fine. Now comes the responsibility!

12 posted on 05/09/2009 8:57:30 AM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (All of my hate cannot be found, I will not be drowned by your constant scheming)
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To: 1010RD

Private property where the public is invited is not the same as residential private property nor private property where the public is not invited.


19 posted on 05/09/2009 11:12:29 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: 1010RD

“Now, you get a politician to pass a law you like that limits my exercise of liberty over my property and business.”

No such thing... You still don’t have to allow firearms in your parking lot and nothing changes for you. You simply have the same liability as you had before.

What’s your beef?


26 posted on 05/09/2009 3:24:36 PM PDT by babygene (It seems that stupidity is the most abundant element in the universe)
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To: 1010RD

Assuming you are not a slave (which makes the argument moot), but an employee voluntarily choosing to work for my company which of my work rules do you get to ignore? Any employer can set up work rules that don’t allow you to post or have personal property at work, photos, etc. You agree that is normal and acceptable?


Your property rights don;t extend into the locked interior of the private property of your employees, even on your land.

Does your parking lot have spots for visitors (thus being open to the public?)

Is there alternative parking for employees who prefer not to be disarmed on their entire commute and other errands?


39 posted on 05/11/2009 7:11:22 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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