Posted on 05/08/2009 1:41:44 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
Pelosi: I Was Told Interrogation Methods Were Lawful The House speaker's statement came after CIA records showed Pelosi was briefed in September 2002 on the interrogation methods and appeared to contradict her claim last month that she was never told that waterboarding or other enhanced interrogation techniques were being used.
FOXNews.com
Friday, May 08, 2009
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi insisted Friday that she was briefed only once about the "enhanced" interrogation techniques being used on terrorism suspects and that she was assured by lawyers with the CIA and the Department of Justice that the methods were legal.
Pelosi issued a statement after CIA records released this week showed that Pelosi was briefed in September 2002 on the interrogation methods. The briefings memo appeared to contradict the speaker's claims that she was never told that waterboarding or other enhanced interrogation methods were being used.
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This gives me "happy feels" all over.
How is it possible to condone behavior of some specific sort for one fellow, but not the next? Once the citizens allow the government to misbehave, they will take it as a clear signal to do it all of the time.
Guard you Freedoms jealously.
Sure you did Nancy, we all believe you...NOT...
Thank you. That is kind of you to say after my "utterly evil principles" assessment. Which I take it you have the self confidence to take as it is; a limited assessment based on a very limited statement of your own. Otherwise you would have never accused me of having patience. ;^)
I'll keep an eye out for you.
I think you're the first one to threaten me with that without the intent of getting me zotted as the endgame. lol
LOL! Gingus Kahn.
Very clever. Wonder why no ones else noticed John F Kerry was posting here.
I am acutely aware that Americans have lost the knack of debating in a civil fashion. I have been very bad at that in the past, so I try really hard to practice what I preach: growing a thick skin. Besides, you had made good sense all along. Americans are the best people I know, almost the only people I know. We've got to "cross the divide" to heal. The leftist-extremists never win arguments, they discredit the opponent. I don't want to do that, even though I don't have the nicest disposition in the world.
I do have the confidence to stand with what I believe, and have gone against the grain my entire life. I can't even joke with people without causing offense, so I've grown used to some turmoil. It is refreshing to converse with you, as you don't "take your toys and go home" as do many.
Odd that in the end, our beliefs aren't that far apart. Maybe in my next life I'll be able to start a conversation by leading with the pertinent. Still, I do thrive on a certain amount of turmoil. ;-D
At what point in the conversation did you come in? You did not quote a reference for me to gauge comment.
If you look at the bottom of my post you will see I came in at #28.
I'm getting tired. I looked for that, and ended up thinking I was remembering that facility from another site.
Dig further down. You are probably in for a surprise.
Hmm, "Balding_Eagle". I could also use "Balding_Kahn". ;-D
Now, wait a minute! I don't think I...
Besides, you had made good sense all along.
Oh, OK. It looked like you were taking another tack with that opening.
I don't want to do that, even though I don't have the nicest disposition in the world.
Nice dispositions are highly overrated. Any disposition can be appropriate in the moment and conversely inappropriate in a different context. I was raised to always be polite and that was a major handicap until I learned that it is not always appropriate.
Still, I do thrive on a certain amount of turmoil.
An internet forum about politics is a rather appropriate place to find turmoil.
Gird the loins and loose the dogs of debate! ;-)
You sound like the president. At the end of a long winded answer he mutters "I would do what it takes to protect the American people." This shows that all the self-righteousness, sack cloth, ashes and beating yourself on the sholders and back is just show.
Here's the answer that the majority is yelling at you. Torture a person with guilty knowledge to save innocent lives. If you can kill a convicted murderer, you can torutre and leave alive someone to save a school bus load of kids, including mine and yours. In fact, if my kids are on the bus, I will kill you if you don't torture the sob. And I'll kill him if I can get to him.
I'd like to see you look your kids and wife in the eye and give any other answer.
That is a perfect example of how habitual politeness proved to be a handicap instead of a virtue in my life. My mother meant well when she was teaching me politeness but it wasn't balanced with the wisdom of discerning the situation.
The funny thing is she is anything but PC now. LOL
You were a soldier? When and where?
“My suspicious mind makes me think that 0bama is trying to cook Pelosi’s goose for some reason I can’t yet perceive.”
O is smart enough to realize that having an idiot as speaker of the house is not a good way to further his plans for a Muslim takeover.
1. In an article on how, Since Nixon (and including Nixon) Obama is the worst rated president at 100 days second to Clinton, article mentioned how the gays in the military thing and the send in the tanks resolution (you know, because the FBI was tired of eating pizza for dinner and living in hotel rooms) to Waco sent Clinton's ratings down. (I.e., were it not for those two flubs the vaunted Obama would rank dead last over the past 40 years.) Thinking of Waco and of Clinton's early presidency reminded me of two things: wonder where all these caring liberals were when US citizens, on US soil, who just wanted to be left alone were treated with far less care then a bunch of blood thirsty foreign terrorists obsessed with death to everyone and had demonstrated that in actions. And what about the government interrogators possibly beating to death someone whom they thought (Kenneth Trentadue) was a person involved in the OKC bombing? Bet he wished they had just waterboarded him and left it at that. Where was the outpouring of liberal grief and demands to know what Janet Reno knew and when she knew it and who authorized what?
2. Visited with my (rather elderly) Grandfather a few weeks ago. He was in WWII's 4th armored division and had a combat service ribben from the battle of the bulge. Back then the Nazis put on US GI uniforms and went behind lines to misdirect traffic. They were summarily executed when captured. No right to trials or lawyers, no Mien Kampfs delivered with silk gloves with a side dish of bratwurst to snack on, etc. Combatant out of uniform = dead on the spot. So, if someone wants to go after the CIA for rough interrogation of the islamo fascists, then go ahead and go after the remaining WWII vets, disinter their remains from national cemeteries, etc, for violating the rights of German insurgents. For that matter, tear down the Washington Monument. George Washington had no worries over hanging Major Andre who was the out of uniform British collaborator with Benedict Arnold. A non-citizen combatant out of uniform has voluntarily surrendered all rights, including that of life itself, should they be caught--that has been well established and understood since the rules of war were theorized. While genuine torture should be rejected via the ballot box, legally there just isn't anything there. The liberals are yearning for oh-so-simple Clinton days of sending not the military but the attorney general after terrorists.
Great reply, but the last line is a real keeper.
” Torture a person with guilty knowledge to save innocent lives.”
That has a good ring to it, but it must surely also be the justification of every regime that ever used torture as well. The problem is, who gets to decide who has “guilty knowledge”? If you have a bad apple in charge of that, then you have the government torturing not only the truly dangerous, but anyone the government doesn’t like.
Let’s bring it down to earth. Do you feel comfortable giving Obama the power to decide when and who to torture? I don’t.
Now it’s “I Was Told Interrogation Methods Were Lawful”. I thought the briefing she attended didn’t include any issue about waterboarding.
Keep changing that story, Nancy. Even your PR firm, aka the MSM, is on to you. What now, b!tch??
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