Posted on 05/08/2009 1:41:44 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
Pelosi: I Was Told Interrogation Methods Were Lawful The House speaker's statement came after CIA records showed Pelosi was briefed in September 2002 on the interrogation methods and appeared to contradict her claim last month that she was never told that waterboarding or other enhanced interrogation techniques were being used.
FOXNews.com
Friday, May 08, 2009
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi insisted Friday that she was briefed only once about the "enhanced" interrogation techniques being used on terrorism suspects and that she was assured by lawyers with the CIA and the Department of Justice that the methods were legal.
Pelosi issued a statement after CIA records released this week showed that Pelosi was briefed in September 2002 on the interrogation methods. The briefings memo appeared to contradict the speaker's claims that she was never told that waterboarding or other enhanced interrogation methods were being used.
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Of course. And He is not going to confuse Himself by questioning the credentials of people who did their duty, perhaps saving thousands of lives, by doing a distasteful job in a way that was both legal and moral.
You might judge them harshly. But I'm confident He won't.
With all due respect, your definition of morality is painfully self-righteous and terminally short-sighted.
Sorry. But it's the truth.
This conversation is officially fruitless and over.
I have no idea where you get your notions of "karmic entanglements" but it is clear that lots of people, Buddhists and Christians, do think the "afterlife" is something far different than a mere change of "lifestyles."
Aren’t you guys going to call me to task for the “Kill them all, let God sort it out” approach? After all, I'm all for declaring a real war just to do the only job that could bring a lasting peace with "those guys". Now you see why I think torture is unnecessary?
No more fun? Dang.
You are only half way where I am. I abhorr the torture, and think it to unnecessary and besides the point. We know who the enemy is, and where they dwell. DECLARE a real war, and go kill all of them. Its the penny-anti stuff that gipes my butt.
No, I am all for the “kill them all and let God sort them out” approach to terrorism. And in that mindset I fully approve of the less harsh action of wringing life saving information out of those we capture in any way we can. I’m not going to make false distinctions about which is more or less moral, killing them on the battlefield or roughing them up in their lifetime detention for the purpose of preventing more killing by them.
Well, this has turned into a discussion that could probably be of great benefit to me. Thank you for your patience.
OK.
Hmmm. Food for good thought.
I equate this "interrogation detainment" to pussy-footing around with the problem. That is really what irritates me with the whole thing. Maybe my morals have a loose screw, but I do find torture of bound prisoners to be immoral, yet I fully believe that total victory on the battlefield to be fully justified and completely moral. We don't need little parcels of coerced information to wage a real war.
My wife picked my screen moniker because she knows me. ;-D
see #149. You are not tracking the debate very well.
You’re right - I got behind due to what’s going on around me. I guess I can’t multitask as good as I thought! LOL Anyway, all the best!
We do indeed agree!
The torture crap is just plain unnecessary. We already know everything we need to know to get the job done.
I do love a good fight, but not with those who are bound. You did nicely!
The PC crap has just about destroyed the Spirit of this Nation. If it shall be war, then make real more. Kill them all, but be a gentleman, for Pete's sake!
Yeah! Let them reach for the AK before you splatter them all over the adobe.
Dictators don't tolerate competitors even in their own party. Pelosi is a rival power center. She thinks she's hot stuff and has her own agenda and is not sufficiently obsequious for el Caudillo.
That may well be why I have a different view regarding interrogation techniques. I think we can potentially save a lot of lives by gleaning information from detainees. If we did it to every Abdul Six Pack we picked up just for fun I wouldn't support that. But we haven't. We pick on the guys we think have something to tell us. KSM actually bragged that he knew something else was coming. By doing that he created the karma to have us get it out of him IMO. Even if it had been a lie.
I happen to agree with you that we shouldn't be pussy footing around. To blazes with nation building. On that I am right behind you and stand squarely on my own views of compassion to support it. To stop a man from killing, who is doing it out of anger and ignorance, is to prevent him from creating horrible karma for himself. If you have to kill him to stop him it is still a compassionate act.
My wife picked my screen moniker because she knows me. ;-D
LOL I'd hate to see what my screen name would be if someone else picked it.
Your philosophy has a good "feel" to it, assuming conservatives are allowed to do that.
I've truely enjoyed our exchange. I'll keep an eye out for you.
You were doing OK up to this point. Obtuse and pompous, but OK. The inability to distinguish in principle the CIA from your local police reveals the soft underbelly of your case. For whatever reason, you seem unable to recruit sound critical judgment on this subject. Sorry. Thanks for playing though.
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