Hoping Obama's place of birth truly was in Hawaii

The Victoria Advocate ^ | May 5, 2009 | Peter Aparicio

[Non-Sequitur]

N-S, you say that he can be and is president regardless of his ineligibility, so it begs the question, why would he be removed if his election was valid, as you insist?

Because when the election was held and the electoral votes cast and when he was sworn in there was no evidence that he was ineligible. All actions were legal when taken. Should a miracle occur and you actually produce evidence showing that he's ineligible you don't go back to square one. You take the step going forward of removing him from office. According to the Constitution, Biden then becomes President.

[savedbygrace]

Why?

[Tailgunner Joe]

Actually there was plenty of evidence, but the courts repeatedly refused to even consider it.

[Tailgunner Joe]

As far as I can tell the Constitution only provides for a president to be removed from office because of impeachment, death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the office. What am I missing N-S?

[Non-Sequitur]

As far as I can tell the Constitution only provides for a president to be removed from office because of impeachment, death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the office. What am I missing N-S?

Section 4 of the 25th Amendment.

[Non-Sequitur]

Actually there was plenty of evidence, but the courts repeatedly refused to even consider it.

Sure there is.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Assuming Obama is ineligible, is he therefore "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office?" Would the "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide" be required to remove him from office? The amendment doesn't say say so. Wouldn't they have to vote on it? You say he would be automatically removed but the Constitution doesn't say that. Besides this clause is for removing the president due to his unfitness to discharge the powers and duties of his office, not his ineligibility to ever even hold that office in the first place.

And it really does not matter whether Obama knew he was breaking the law or not. Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law.

[Texas resident]

The dims ran the guy because they knew that no one would challenge him. They had the race card in their favor and the MSM played right along. Even now, no one will bring this issue up for fear of being tagged as racists. This was a very effective tactic to get a guy in the White House who is not qualified. obambi doesn’t care about qualifications, hell he gets to be the first celebutard. Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Ride around in AF1. Great job.

[ReignOfError]

You’re still missing it. If the Court decides that Obama failed to qualify, it would transport its through time to the moment just before the Senate counted the Electoral Votes

So now SCOTUS is reversing time? That's a whole new dimension of judicial activism.

[savedbygrace]

Please go back and read all of my posts on this thread for an understanding of what I’m suggesting.

[El Gato]

Doesn't matter if he was born in Kenya or Hawaii. His father was not a citizen, and thus he his not a natural born citizen. If he was born in Kenya, he wasn't a citizen at all when born, due to his mother's lack of US residency for 5 years after her 14th birthday.

If he was born in Kenya, or anywhere else except the US, then he fails on either the "Blackstone" (i.e. English common law) or Vattel (Law of Nations) test. If born in the US, then he still fails both, although he fails the Blackstone test by virtue of being a natural born Subject of the Queen of England. (English common law was contradictory, it had all children born in the domain the Crown as natural born subjects, but it also had those born of subject fathers outside the realm as natural born subjects. Thus one cannot apply English common law to "disputes" involving two sovereign nations, since in that case the child be the natural born subject of two sovereigns, which is not allowed even per Blackstone who states that being a natural born subject requires exclusive and permanent fealty to the crown.

Hardly what the founders would have put up with, having just decided to do away with crowns entirely. (What they would think of the Messiah, is probably not printable in this forum).

[El Gato]

Geeeeez, the thought of having Biden as President is enough to leave Obama alone.

It's not like we haven't had naive incompetent boobs as President before. The Republic survived. Surviving a Marxist usurper with Muslim sympathies, that we might not survive as anything recognizable as the Republic the founders gave us.

[El Gato]

Marshall is on top, Obama on bottom .....which one is the father..

Could be either, or neither. BHO looks like a heavily tanned somewhat kinky haired version of his maternal grandfather, Stanley Dumham. That tan, hair and eyes (and slightly broader nose and fuller lips) could come from pretty much anyone with African heritage. Even native Hawaiian, other Pacific Islander, or even Australian aborigine or Indian (inluding Pakistani) genes could produce those features)

[El Gato]

If the governor of Hawaii has seen the real BC wouldn't she be required by law to spill the beans?

Actually she's required by law not to reveal the contents of any "health record" which includes birth records, to anyone except a very short list of people with a "personal interest" in the information. That doesn't include you or I of course. There is an exception to produce the records upon order of court of competent jurisdiction. Thus all the efforts, successful so far, to prevent "Discovery" in all of the suits filed challenging the BHO's eligibility.

But of course, he's admitted that he's not eligible, when he wrote (or Bill Ayers ghost wrote) that his father was a British National at the time of his birth, and that he was a dual citizen at birth.

[MHGinTN]

I’m curious: what prompted you to revive this thread?

[El Gato]

do you think the CIA would do their best to produce the forgery the affirmative action potus figure would need to stop the conflict between orders and authority?

The Christians In Action, as those in defense intelligence community called them, are not the only folks with the ability to sneak and peek, and produce documents, real or otherwise. Nor are they particularly beloved by the Defense Intelligence community. (Defense Intelligence Agency, and each of the services Intelligence organizations such as he Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency, and similar outfits in the other services, plus of course the special ops forces, like SEALs, Green Berets, etc. etc.)

Here's a picture taken last month at my old unit, renamed a couple of times, and shifted from the old Systems Command to AFISRC and it's predecessors, since I was assigned to it.

(The flagpole is new, they didn't have one before.) I like what the young whippersnapper CO had to say on the occasion:

"With each gust of wind,this flag strikes fear into our enemies, brings pride to our faithful and displays confidently to the world that the United States is never to be taken lightly."

Sniff...Grin.

[wintertime]

Obama is using tax dollars to play a practical joke? Is this what you are proposing?

Americans do not like very expensive practical jokes paid for with tax dollars. If Obama is a straight forward natural born citizen, then by witholding the needed documents this is what he is doing. He is using tax money to play a practice joke.

Please remember that the U.S. attorneys defending Obama are being frivolously distracted, due to Obama’s perverted sense of humor, from dealing with issues that are a real danger to society. If Obama is found to be a natural born citizen, I don't think Americans will be amused.