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To: TChris; dhm914
I think the problem here is one of legitimacy of the system. If you live in a legitimate state you obey ALL the laws, whatever your personal beliefs. If you feel strongly that the laws are wrong, you use Constitutional methods to get them changed. If the government becomes illegitimate (like Germany in the 1930’s), you are morally free to do anything that is not disproportional to avoid the law, and overthrow the government. While there are tremendous warning signs in the current situation, I believe that the Constitutional government of the US is still a legitimate state, and will obey the laws.
63 posted on 05/12/2009 10:19:15 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
If the government becomes illegitimate (like Germany in the 1930’s), you are morally free to do anything that is not disproportional to avoid the law, and overthrow the government.

I think I agree with you here. This fits well with the feelings expressed by the founding fathers as well.

64 posted on 05/12/2009 10:22:46 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

will you convict anyone of a “hate crime” law? that is already way over the line, Un-constitutional. no longer time to wait, this kind of law is currently in force and the demoncrats have no intention on giving this up. it will be up to jurors in the mean time to keep folks out of prison until these laws can be overturned.

however there are certain persons that aparently do not mind being imprisoned for hate crime laws, they would rather wait for the legislature to see the wrongs of their laws, and undo the mess they made.

it is one thing to stand up and state you rather be in jail and wait for the law to be fixed by legislative process. It is a whole other thing to send someone to jail and tell them they must rot and wait for the bad law to be fixed. What sacrifices are you willing to force others to make before you vote to not convict for bad laws??????

this is how tyrants gain power, sheeple blindinly following the law, just because it is the “law”. this is how nations fall, when common man can no longer choose right over wrong. when they are lead to believe that the government is best, and you must rely on the government to interput what rights you have. that is wishy washy brain rot thought. you should know your rights and demand they be repected at all times, you must always insist your fellow man have those rights always honored, inspite of any laws made.


66 posted on 05/12/2009 10:44:13 AM PDT by dhm914
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