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To: bonnieblue4me; mnehring
3) If the "big bang" is to be believed and everything started from one speck billions of light years away, how fast did this planet's elements travel to arrive at this point in space, stop (while others went farther), form, develop life, develop intelligence, and develop technology to see light that took 187 billion years to arrive here from that "big bang"? [Emphasis added by ancesthntr]

The elements which compose Earth, this solar system, this galaxy, etc. have NOT stopped at this point in space (or any other, ever). They (of which we are a part) are moving. Away from the galactic center, up and down through the galaxy, and away from other galaxies (at roughly the speed of light).

Nothing took 187 billion years. The age of the universe according to the best scientific estimates of our day is somewhere between 15 and 16 billion years, and according to the Talmud is roughly 15 3/4 billion years. You're off by an order of magnitude.

As to the development of life, let alone intelligent life, I cannot explain that. Dr. Schroeder (see my posts above) states that it is statistically nearly impossible for matter to have transformed by random action from inorganic to organic, and he attributes that act to G-d (many eons ago, I might add).

As to the development of technology, that is damned near a given when you understand that the nature of intelligence is to master its own environment as much as possible. It is a matter of a geometric progression, once intelligence arose (although being land-based, where fire is possible, is a huge help - porpoises and whales are intelligent, but they're not exactly competition to us for global mastery). As to what gave rise to intelligence...see the paragraph above (though such may have also been inevitable once organic matter came into existence - I simply don't know).

As I've mentioned in posts above, there is IMHO, no dichotomy between science and my religion (Judaism) on the issue of the age of the universe or the order of the unfolding of Creation. The opinions of the majority of people on FR on this issue are based in the teachings of Christianity, which are themselves based on the Hebrew Bible's Book of Genesis (31 lines worth). You can have a robust faith in G-d while still understanding that science is not entirely wrong (or even mostly wrong, or is even mostly correct).

50 posted on 05/01/2009 2:19:28 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: Ancesthntr

OK, I misread or read a typo. The report I just read says the explosion they are now seeing happened around 13 billion years ago. I clarified my stopped statement previously. Now, if we came from that point, or beyond it, and we are still traveling away from it at the speed of light, exactly how fast did those elements have to travel? They must have either decelerated, or the light we are now seeing has accelerated. If we are traveling away at the speed of light, then that light that is reaching us now must be traveling at twice the speed of light. If two things leave the same point at the same speed in the same direction, they arrive at the same point at the same time. If we are moving at the speed of light, the light reaching us from “near the beginning of time” must be moving at twice that speed and therefore, in order for us to be here now, we (our elements) must have traveled at at least three times the speed of light to a certain distance, then slowed to the speed of light.


59 posted on 05/04/2009 7:42:03 AM PDT by bonnieblue4me (You can put lipstick on a donkey (or a dimrat), but it is still an ass!)
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