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Hate Crimes Bill Passes House..No Republicans voted for it
The Phoenix ^ | 4-29-09 | David S. Bernstein

Posted on 04/29/2009 11:33:48 AM PDT by Victory111

The House of Representatives just passed HR 1913 -- The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 -- on a vote of 234-190. The bill, which Obama has urged Congress to pass, would extend federal hate crimes laws to cover sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability, as well as race, color, religion, national origin, and sexual orientation.

Not a single Republican voted in favor. 15 Democrats voted against.

In the floor debate before the vote, North Carolina Republican Virginia Foxx called it a "hoax" that Matthew Shepard's killing had anything to do with him being gay.

Ted Kennedy and Olympia Snowe will lead the effort for passage in the Senate later in the year.


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To: Victory111
would extend federal hate crimes laws to cover sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability, as well as race, color, religion, national origin, and sexual orientation.

All joking aside, how will this affect Muslims preaching our destruction?

41 posted on 04/29/2009 12:06:47 PM PDT by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: Mr. Mojo

“...”hate crimes” laws are unethical regardless.”

I wish Congress would be honest for a moment and call it “Thought Crime.”

Wait... “I wish Congress would be honest for a moment...”
What am I saying? I guess I lost it there for a minute.


42 posted on 04/29/2009 12:09:47 PM PDT by Never on my watch (The scientist who would have discovered the cure to AIDS in the Amazon was aborted in January 1978)
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To: Victory111

So soon the only things we can do in an argument is call someone a poopy pants or cootie magnet without getting charged with a hate crime.


43 posted on 04/29/2009 12:11:50 PM PDT by pikachu (Be alert! We need more lerts!)
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To: muawiyah

Right, I’m aware of it in the nobility context, but I fail to see how that could be transformed into an attack on this, even assuming your broad definition for sake of argument. For example, the sexual orientation section label doesn’t only apply to homosexuals, but to all orientations, including straight.

Again, I oppose this bill for other reasons, but I don’t find your particular argument convincing.


44 posted on 04/29/2009 12:12:36 PM PDT by NinoFan
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To: umgud
would extend federal hate crimes laws to cover sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability, as well as race, color, religion, national origin, and sexual orientation.

All joking aside, how will this affect Muslims preaching our destruction?

The one thing I'm sure about is that it will defend the faith of Muslims and Christians equally before the law.

. . .

Bwahahahaha.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Yes, this is a good question. This will protect people's right to wear burkas in their drivers license photos, distribute jihadist literature, and preaching Death to America in the mosque. Anyone who objects to such expressions of their religious beliefs would be committing a hate crime.

(On the other hand, if your religion tells you that life begins at conception, you'll probably wind up on a DHS watchlist.)

45 posted on 04/29/2009 12:14:13 PM PDT by Steel Wolf (Oh, well. Back to the drawing board....)
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To: Victory111

The whole idea of a hate crime is insanity. The law should judge people on their actions, not something as subjective as hate. The Congress is trying to make windows into people’s souls. This is simply the first step in controlling not only people’s actions, but also their thoughts or beliefs. We now have governmental thought police. How will this affect churches that believe that homosexuality is a sin? Will clergy that oppose homosexuality from the pulpit be subject to hate laws?


46 posted on 04/29/2009 12:14:34 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: NinoFan
Not all persons are covered under "sexual orientation".

It really doesn't matter how many members a special named class has, if it gets privileges denied to even one person, then the Constitution says they can't have their little titles of nobility or anything that goes with them.

47 posted on 04/29/2009 12:17:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Richard Kimball
I won't get into how big a subset it is, but it's substantial.

I always thought it was most of them, actually. I read somewhere once that gay men have that same biological drive to have many partners that hetero men do, but are more able to express it because the pool of partners they draw from has the same urges. It's also one of the reasons that "gay marriage" is counter to the basic gay male instinct.

It's also true for people who break down on the side of the road and for people who stop to help them.

My wife never understands why I always take a gun with me when I travel out of town, preferably a politically correct, easily loaded rifle of some sort.

48 posted on 04/29/2009 12:19:18 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (I long for the days when advertisers didn't constantly ask about the health of my genital organs.)
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To: muawiyah

TJ also said that tree is watered by the blood of patriots, too


49 posted on 04/29/2009 12:22:45 PM PDT by wayne_b24 (every day in the Light is a good day ... John 8:12 & 14:6; Psalm 119:105; Joshua 24:15)
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To: muawiyah

What person doesn’t? Even asexual is considered a sexual orientation...

But anyway, what support do you have for your understanding of the titiles of nobility? Any historical support you can provide to those of us who might be skeptical?


50 posted on 04/29/2009 12:28:02 PM PDT by NinoFan
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To: Victory111
In the floor debate before the vote, North Carolina Republican Virginia Foxx called it a "hoax" that Matthew Shepard's killing had anything to do with him being gay.

Umm, both defendants said that it did in their trial.

Any thinking, rational person should be able to come up with dozens of reasons why hate crime legislation is flawed and counterproductive, and why they couldn't support it without resorting to easily refuted, BS comments like Foxx's. And people wonder why the GOP is floundering with boobs like this in Congress.

53 posted on 04/29/2009 12:49:02 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Victory111

Olympia Snowe - Next to Go!


54 posted on 04/29/2009 12:49:51 PM PDT by M203M4 (A rainbow-excreting government-cheese-pie-eating unicorn in every pot.)
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To: Morgana
Does this mean that Chode and I can no longer say “filthy disease ridden queer” on this site? Have we now lost freedom of speech?

Hate speech is not illegal, nor would it be under this law. Hate crimes are being punished-- i.e., something which is already a crime (asault, murder) will be more heavily punished if motivated by hate. The Supreme Court (in an opinion by Chief Justice Rehnquist) previously held (in a case involving racial prejudice) that hate crimes laws are not unconstitutional because they punish nothing which was legal before.

55 posted on 04/29/2009 12:50:06 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: NinoFan
There's about 1400 years worth of history regarding WHAT a Title of Nobility offered it's awardee.

I refer you to the HISTORY OF EUROPE.

Your basic Title of Nobility granted "privileges" ~ that is, certain immunities, or benefits, from the government that were not offered to non-nobles or maybe not even other title holders.

A "title of nobility" establishes a class difference.

It was, as it turns out, not only better to be a Bourbon in France ~ it was FANTASTIC! You were virtually immune to the action of law PLUS you could probably travel around the country and move in with total strangers and live in their homes, eat their food, ride their horses (and whatever else) and have them hanged in the courtyard if they objected.

The Democrats never really agreed with the idea of not establishing a nobility, nor in eliminating slavery. Due to a failure of will the United States government failed to exterminate them at the conclusion of the Civil War, so here we are. Now they want to enshrine how they display their pudenda as something that entitles them to certain privileges and advantages under the law.

So typical of those who seek to abase themselves at the feet of tyrants.

56 posted on 04/29/2009 12:50:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Non-Sequitur

The defendants were just trying to avoid being executed. They’d say whatever the prosecutor wanted.


57 posted on 04/29/2009 12:53:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GreyFriar
I wonder if hate speech against Christians and Christianity is included?

Only if YOU include it.

59 posted on 04/29/2009 12:55:55 PM PDT by papertyger (Advertising made journalism an assault weapon.)
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To: Victory111

The first thing we should do is file for every mean hateful thing, pie thrown, assault and slander that any liberal extremist has said or done to any white male, or conservative and use the “hate crime” law to enforce justice for a change. An Coulter could go to a liberal college to give a speech and with a battery of lawyers imprison half the crowd!! We could and should use this to our advantage, and ram it down their throats. After all, the insanity level of hatred is on their side. Conservatives don’t “hate” as liberals do IMHO, and I would love it if they had to live what they preach for a change. Law enforced tolerance of conservatives will have them repealing their own law eventually, and teach them some manners in the mean time.
This could be a good thing, even if it is unconstitutional.


60 posted on 04/29/2009 12:56:16 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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