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Pandemic Influenza as a Bioweapon
Recombinomics ^ | February 23, 2005

Posted on 04/27/2009 9:55:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: D-fendr; Obamageddon
NO, big government.

BTW, Obama, your homepage looks a little ostentatious.

Something doesn't quite smell right.

Cheers!

21 posted on 04/28/2009 3:43:59 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Sorry bout that.

I've only had one cat I could tolerate. He acted like a dog.

22 posted on 04/28/2009 5:04:08 AM PDT by Obamageddon ("I'm outraged that we tortured detainees with Caterpillars rather than Camel Spiders!")
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To: rdl6989
Use of infected currency as a vector for transmission has been widely discussed.

That is an interesting thought.

Anyone who has ever been near a strip joint (I dealt blackjack in one long ago) washes their hands after handling currency and NEVER puts it in their mouth for any reason.

23 posted on 04/28/2009 10:01:09 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...

Ping


24 posted on 04/28/2009 10:03:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Pandemic Influenza as a Bioweapon
25 posted on 04/28/2009 10:09:28 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: buccaneer81
let me be the first to say that you are an idiot.

I'd bet you're far from the first to call him that.

26 posted on 04/28/2009 10:12:41 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Obamageddon
But big pharma and big ag should have skull and crossbones on everything they produce, IMHO.

By all means, do us a favor and refuse to use their products. The rest of us poor, misguided souls will take our chances.

27 posted on 04/28/2009 10:41:00 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: buccaneer81
Will do, Bucko.

No GMO mad cow burgers with growth hormone / High Fructose Corn poison shakes for me!

28 posted on 04/28/2009 11:06:08 AM PDT by Obamageddon ("I'm outraged that we tortured detainees with Caterpillars rather than Camel Spiders!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Using influenza as a bio-weapon makes as much sense as issuing plutonium knives to soldiers for use in combat.

There are plenty of reasons for this. For example, the various influenza have an extraordinarily high number of flexible RNA components, which means it mutates at a tremendous clip. A single animal may have half a dozen strains at the same time.

This also means that the strains are in natural selection competition with each other to develop the best strain to insure strain survival. This means that there is a distinct path for a given strain.

To begin with, a strain must be different enough from previous strains so that its hosts immune system does not recognize it and attack it with a specialized and deadly defense. But by not recognizing it, the host immune system overreacts, which can result in what we now call the “cytokine effect”. Between virus over-reproduction that damages the host and the cytokine effect, this makes the new strain deadly to the host.

However, natural selection then kicks in again, as less lethal variants of the strain survive and propagate better than lethal ones. And this happens rapidly as well, so the strain soon becomes just annoying to the host, not deadly. But by then, so many hosts are innovating deadly defenses against the strain, that other strains are able to fill the gap in the host population.

Influenza also swaps RNA segments readily, helping it to adapt and compete. This is why the Mexican swine flu has human, avian, and European and Asian swine elements, and typical influenza tests showed positive for two different strains.

In short, influenza is vastly too complex, too capable, too flexible, and too unpredictable to use as a bio-weapon. Annual vaccinations are based on guesswork, and even if a lethal strain was devised, there is no assurance it will last beyond the first few hosts.

At the same time, the H5N1 strain being innovated naturally has the potential to kill 1 billion people. Nature is that much better at this than we are.


29 posted on 04/28/2009 11:24:22 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Obamageddon
High Fructose Corn poison

High fructose corn syrup is poison? Why?

30 posted on 04/28/2009 12:10:55 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Depends on the goal.

IF you looking for disruption, then it might make sense.

But blowback will be bad, you have an even chance of killing off your own guys. Which is the same reason that chemical weapons still have the stigma they do, and subs don't anymore. To easy to kill off alot of people you weren't aiming at.

31 posted on 04/28/2009 12:57:48 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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