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Norway wants to ban sale of gas-powered cars
The Windsor Star ^ | 4/27/2009 | Alister Doyle

Posted on 04/27/2009 8:53:21 AM PDT by doc30

A proposal to ban sales of new gasoline-powered cars in Norway from 2015 could help spur struggling carmakers to shift to greener models, Finance Minister Kristin Halvorsen said on Saturday.

"This is much more realistic than people think when they first hear about this proposal," she told Reuters, defending a plan by her Socialist Left Party to outlaw sales of cars that run solely on fossil fuels in six years' time.

"The financial crisis also means that a lot of those car producers that now have big problems ... know that they have to develop their technology because we also have to solve the climate criss when this financial crisis is over," she said.

(Excerpt) Read more at windsorstar.com ...


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KEYWORDS: ban; cars; gas; green
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To: dainbramaged

HEY!!!!! My wife resembles that remark (I hope she doesn’t read this).


21 posted on 04/27/2009 9:46:07 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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To: doc30

Does anyone know who owns the donkey and buggy whip monopoly in Norway?


22 posted on 04/27/2009 9:52:58 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: willgolfforfood

What percentage of all cars in the US operate where it gets below -55? 1%? 5?


23 posted on 04/27/2009 10:00:48 AM PDT by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: Unassuaged

I would love a cold weather super car, with someone else doing all the R&D!


24 posted on 04/27/2009 10:02:08 AM PDT by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: doc30; thackney

Norway, that sits atop the North Sea Oil fields?


25 posted on 04/27/2009 10:07:34 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: CPT Clay
Time to invest in Buggy-Whip Manufactures
26 posted on 04/27/2009 10:17:07 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: IronJack

Invest in Norwegian hay futures.”

How about Alaska Dog sleds and dog breeders???


27 posted on 04/27/2009 10:50:53 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: doc30

“..her Socialist Left Party..”

Just a coincidence? I think not.


28 posted on 04/27/2009 11:12:21 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (I am inconsolate over the death of our country.)
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To: Unassuaged
I don't know. But I'm an electrical engineer, and a battery guy. At a mere 15 Deg. F ABOVE zero, batteries have well less than 1/2 their charge, as compared to mid-70's degree F.

That's MOST of the nation, on a typical brisk winter day. If you're going to work early, in the dark, your batteries are going to have to run your wipers, lights, all electronics and diagnostics, turn your electrically driven wheels, run the heater, the defrosters, and probably a few things I'm not thinking of.

To greatly simpify the argument...if you can't see your office from your house, you're in a spot of trouble, on a cold winter morning.

It's not much different in Texas or Arizona in the summer either, if you want your car's AC to be running flat out for you, on the way to or from home.

29 posted on 04/27/2009 12:02:33 PM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: willgolfforfood

Thank you for the information.

Would you say that battery powered cars will never be viable in cold weather?

I lived in rural Illiois where ther were lots of converted LP gas pickups, but gasoline was so cheap that it was not a worth it (early ‘90s).


30 posted on 04/27/2009 12:10:49 PM PDT by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: Unassuaged
I think that's pretty much the case, with anything considered "state of the art" in battery technology right now, and probably for the next decade or so. Some out of the blue techological improvment could make this argument look silly, but it's not right around the corner.

Consider the Chevy Volt - about to go on sale this year, or next. That's supposed to have cutting edge set of either NiCad or Lithium Ion batteries, [can't recall exactly right now] so one of the best weight to energy density ratios available. Far better ratio than even the most high-tech lead/acid batteries. It's still too expensive to sell, so it's apparently a "lease only" vehicle.

And it's only rated for about 40 miles per fully charged battery bank...which is an OPTIMUM rating. What's the range in Minneapolis or Detroit on a day when their winter temperature is "average"? If the heater in the car is on during your commute, I bet it's no more than 12-15 miles, and single digits wouldn't surprise me.

So who wants to take this car on an emergency run from Fargo to Minot, ND, with a hard blizzard threatening to move in?

31 posted on 04/27/2009 1:18:32 PM PDT by willgolfforfood
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