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A Cyber-Attack on an American City (it just happened, what to expect)
Perens.com ^ | April, 9th, 2009 | Bruce Perens

Posted on 04/26/2009 8:35:06 AM PDT by 2banana

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To: wtc911

Ask Barney Frank about “man holes”!


41 posted on 04/26/2009 9:54:52 AM PDT by WellyP
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To: jpl
Actually I'll bet that it was some Union goons who did it.

L

42 posted on 04/26/2009 9:57:06 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: mass55th
Utica, NY, no good here, but for some reason Freerepublic OK but I think it's because it is my home page. Yours? Can't get anywheres else
43 posted on 04/26/2009 9:58:06 AM PDT by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: al baby
Don’t google womens holes

The answer is three. I'm not kidding!

44 posted on 04/26/2009 10:01:07 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I want to see Totus's birth certificate...or at least date of manufacture.)
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To: mass55th
I cannot get Google, Matt Drudge or several other sites to load. I get a message that they cannot local the server. FreeRepublic however is working fine.

Sounds like it could be a DNS server problem. Instead of http://www.google.com, try this: http://74.125.95.104; instead of http://www.drudgereport.com, try http://66.28.209.219. If that works, then their DNS server is having problems looking up the proper IP addresses.

45 posted on 04/26/2009 10:09:32 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obamanation: an imploding administration headed by a clueless schmuck, with McCain as his Kowakian)
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To: DeLaine
So what do we do to protect ourselves from this? Is a ham radio the only answer?

a) be as independent as possible from "authorities", be it police, medical services or fire department, or grocery stores. In case of a serious trouble of any kind your pleas for help will be ignored anyway.

b) get yourself a ham radio. There is no single answer to this (and like) threats; having an independent radio that can contact other people is incredibly valuable. I have Yaesu VX-6 among others, it's waterproof, receives every emergency frequency, transmits on three ham bands with good power, has a decent built-in battery and can take external +12V from your car or another source.

46 posted on 04/26/2009 10:11:26 AM PDT by Greysard
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To: COBOL2Java
You're right, they work, thanks, my daughter needed Google to finish a report for school.
47 posted on 04/26/2009 10:15:41 AM PDT by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: Sherman Logan
I'm right in line with you.

That is how I was convinced that the progressive tax system does have some fairness to it...those with the most have the most to lose, and should bear more costs of insurance against loss (i.e., military and LE). However, I also think that taxation needs to be more wealth-based than income-based, as a progressive income tax just keeps down hard-working, productive people, dampening incentive for productivity.

This destroys wealth, both in the targets and the ammo.

What? You don't believe in the Keynsian idea of prosperity through government waste? ;-) (Yes, it destroys wealth, despite creating a temporary sense of prosperity via the creation of a production need; the costs aren't as easily seen, so they are often ignored.)

It also diverts lots of highly competent people from the production of wealth.

One of my major problems with the Iraq war deployments was that many, many, many good productive Americans were diverted from the production of wealth. (My other concern is that I believe that properly raising children is a critical task, and many family separations have led to irreparable damage to young'ns.) Regardless of necessity of war, there are many hidden costs. Regardless of the need for a military, there are many hidden costs. Regardless of the need of LE, there are many hidden costs.

The responsible thing to do is to face and manage those costs, not ignore them. I think you advocate the former, but many Americans want to do the latter.

I'm not in favor of eliminating those necessities to preserve our freedom; I'm in favor of viewing them honestly and directly.

48 posted on 04/26/2009 10:22:13 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Wilum

Just checked back on Time Warner’s Channel 10 here in Rome. It looks like the problem has been fixed. Hope yours is up and running too.


49 posted on 04/26/2009 10:26:34 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: mass55th

Was probably an attack by the union. Were any negotiations going on? It is pretty common afterall.


50 posted on 04/26/2009 10:30:43 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The time has come to tell the salmon-eating international busybodies to mind their own business.")
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To: Gondring

Ditto.

Military and LEO are essential. But they are expenses, not assets, much less income-generating assets. They’re overhead. Essential overhead, to be sure.


51 posted on 04/26/2009 10:30:46 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: 2banana

A larger city will have more redundancy in the system and you’ll need to cut more than 8 cables to cut it off. And of course even if you do there needs to be something along with it. We’ve had blackouts that more thoroughly shutdown larger chunks of real estate and things by and large turned out OK.


52 posted on 04/26/2009 10:35:17 AM PDT by razorboy
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Not the Union as far as I can see. The report said they had an equipment failure and had to replace something.


53 posted on 04/26/2009 10:38:59 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

You got it. No foreign involvement, terrorist plots or grand conspiracies needed. Just a couple of CWA brothers with T lifts, axes and a knowledge of the network.

http://www.cwa-union.org/news/busloads-of-cwa-members-head-to-dallas-for-at-t-annual-meeting.html


54 posted on 04/26/2009 10:41:41 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Be There >>> http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com)
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To: EQAndyBuzz; mass55th

Sorry, disregard previous post. I thought you were referring to the California outage. Time Warner is not now in contract negotiations.


55 posted on 04/26/2009 10:44:33 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Be There >>> http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com)
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To: mass55th; COBOL2Java
Mass55th,

Thanks neighbor, (I'm actually in Marcy) we're up and running

COBOL2Java

Again, thanks for the help. My daughter has been burning oil on this project relating to 1962. Fortunately, a sixties survivor myself, I was able to fill in for Google on about 80% of the material!

Both have a good Sunday afternoon, I'm back to my woodshop

Regards,
Wilum

56 posted on 04/26/2009 10:45:36 AM PDT by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: BIGLOOK; neverdem; SierraWasp; tubebender

Morgan Hill.

Last June, the Family Practice Group with several offices, one office is where my wife works as the head RN, went to a new electronic Medical Record System.

There have been the expected problems and a few more.

I kept asking the bosses/Docs and IT people what would happen if there was a power failure.

We were told that there were several backup servers/systems.

I told them that wasn’t the problem, lack of electrical power in the system or users would render their computers useless. They totally ignored that possible reality.

Eventually, there was a power failure that took out 5 of the offices and the servers for several hours.

Then, they found out what I was trying to tell them. All access to and from the patients electronic records were down, the appointment system was down, no appointments could be made or checked to see if and when a patient had an appointment that day. There was no way to check the patients insurance cards to see if they were still valid, up to date and what the copays were. They couldn’t send electronic RXes nor receive RX requests from the pharmacies. Orders to and from the hospital were not working. Lab results that day and in the past could not be accessed

Medically/legally the doctors were in the dark about their patients medical histories and treatment plans.

Finally after the first hour, they closed the offices just like grocery stores and other stores on electronic systems do in a power failure.

Later, a group of the Doctors gathered in the office where my wife worked. On her way out of the dark offices at high noon to come home, she said, “This was what my husband was trying to warn you about, not your backup server resources.”

Besides the inconveniance to the patients, the $ loss to the group for that day was significant and basically gone forever.


57 posted on 04/26/2009 10:58:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does 0B0Z0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foreign/domestic terrorists, or tax cheats?)
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To: jpl
NOT the suspect (YouTube)

Don't ask me...I have no idea what that's about!

58 posted on 04/26/2009 11:06:23 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Greysard

I don’t have a ham license. Or do I just buy one and listen to it??? I know nothing about what to buy, what is good, what is not.


59 posted on 04/26/2009 11:07:50 AM PDT by DeLaine (Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. (MLK))
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To: Greysard; DeLaine

What about CB radio, limited but better than nothing.


60 posted on 04/26/2009 11:12:39 AM PDT by protest1
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