Beam me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 04/25/2009 8:51:28 PM PDT by neverdem
Cap and trade is an outrageous sam, a tax on air. It is merely a fig leaf to cover sucking money from the populace.
There is but one course....... exterminate the scammers
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When Lyndon Johnson left the presidency in 1969, he left behind the legacy of a transformed federal government. At the end of the Eisenhower presidency in 1961, there were only 45 domestic social programs. By 1969 the number had climbed to 435. Federal social spending, excluding Social Security, rose from $9.9 billion in 1960 to $25.6 billion in 1968
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I'm sure cap and trade will never cost very much. Alarmist wackos are standing in the way of the Messiah saving the planet. How could they! (/sarcasm off!)
If the feds refund the $3,128 (average) to the people, then the feds won’t be able to use any of that money to fund alternative energy research. I thought part of Zero’s sales pitch was that the extra ‘fees’ on fossil fuel energy would fund such research. No?
The same money can’t be used for both purposes at the same time.
BTW, $3,128 is very close to what we pay each year for gas and electric combined. Zero and Nostrilitis will double my gas and electric costs????? What great guys.
I humbly disagree. I think the economy will collapse (the rest of the way) under the weight of this thing and nobody will have $3000. Then the government can pay us all to sit around and do nothing by printing more money.
You aren't thinking like a socialist, remember, it's wealth redistrubution. Even if Obama's socialism takes it from you and returns it to the people, he's going to give it back to HIS people. Ever heard of ACORN? Are you a member? I didn't think so. You give the $$ to Uncle Sammy Obama and he gives it to ACORN, he gives it to Mexican illegals that need a new start but you GIVE to others, got it?
I very much understand that path, but that isn’t the issue.
What I’m referring to is the double accounting. The feds give it back to their people, many of whom do not pay any taxes, then the feds also claim they are giving the proceeds to fund research that will someday bring down the price of those alternative energy sources. (Yeah, right.)
I’d be willing to pay the 3,900 for one year if it would wake people up to what the Dems have in mind for this country.
Yeah, good things like buying the votes of lazy deadbeats seeking a free ride in life. In other words, democRAT voters.
BTT
Europe’s experiment with cap and trade has turned into a bureaucratic mess that has failed to live up to its initial expectations. A report by the GAO reveals that the supply of carbon permits has exceeded the demand causing allowance prices to fall substantially. This policy failure has caused the European economy to suffer and expectations to reduce CO2 emissions have been lowered.
Additionally, Europe’s cap and trade experiment has led to decreased employment opportunities and higher energy prices across the continent. In France manufacturers have packed up and left for Morocco. In the Netherlands factories are forced to close early to meet emissions standards. In Germany energy prices have risen 5% each year sparking widespread outrage. All across Europe evidence shows that cap and trade has hurt the economy. If the United States implements a European style cap and trade system, estimates http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09423t.pdf show that it could wipe out between 1.2-1.8 million American jobs by 2020.
Cap & Trade: Bad for Europe, Wrong for America By Lee Lukoff http://americansolutions.dev2.apperceptive.com/energy/2009/04/cap-trade-bad-for-europe-wrong-for-america.php
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In addition, heat is not optional, expecially in colder areas in the country where we already have plenty of clean air and subzero winter temperatures are the norm.
Thanks for the ping.
So, if I understand this idiot from MIT correctly, a tax isn’t really a removal of a portion of my income. After all, the government spends it somehow, and I indirectly benefit from the way they spend it.
On that basis, they could just take 100% of our income, and we could just trust them to somehow know all of our needs and meet them just in time. Gee, I think that’s what communism is all about.
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