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Missionary's arrest sparks discussion, fear
Salt Lake Tribune ^
| 4/24/2009
| Sheena Mcfarland
Posted on 04/25/2009 6:05:34 AM PDT by frankenMonkey
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To: Edward Watson
Zakeet is simply a Mormon Hater. Mormons are not polygamists. Thanks for calling him out on this.
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posted on
04/25/2009 7:03:04 AM PDT
by
svxdave
(Life is too short to wear a fake Rolex.)
To: Colofornian
Certainly this is not “honoring and sustaining the law” and as I mentioned, this must have been a situation created by local leaders and not the Church itself. Our Church is very conscious of its image and of doing the right thing. When things like this happen, it allows Mormon Haters to burst forth and to join with those who are conscious of our border problem, such as me. Since I have been subjected to bigotry most of my life, this is not a comfortable position to be in. Trust me, however, this problem will be cleaned up soon. The LDS Church is not a Sanctuary Church.
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posted on
04/25/2009 7:09:44 AM PDT
by
svxdave
(Life is too short to wear a fake Rolex.)
To: frankenMonkey
The whole pro-illegal immigrant movement is solely about the selfishness of its proponents. And that includes some churches.
To: svxdave
The article quotes various church leaders in SLC, so it appears to be known and approved at the top. The article is from the Tribune, however, an anti-LDS rag.
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posted on
04/25/2009 7:20:44 AM PDT
by
frankenMonkey
(www.citizendirect.org - this domain name for sale)
To: svxdave
Or, even better, TURN HIM IN TO IMMIGRATION FOR FURTHER DISPOSITION.
Better that he be a missionary "down home" than that he cower in fear of being picked up in Cincinatti eh!
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posted on
04/25/2009 7:26:04 AM PDT
by
muawiyah
To: Alex Murphy
What is the missionary’s position on this?
To: svxdave
Do we not do the same thing with the military, and then as part of their service, help them to qualify as citizens?
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posted on
04/25/2009 7:27:44 AM PDT
by
CommonJudge
(Captions on, for the hearing impaired, haha)
To: CommonJudge
No, the foreigners in the military must first be LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and have an IMMIGRATION VISA.
Only way to be an immigrant, in fact, is to have an immigration visa. Otherwise you are just another foreign visitor whose purpose is to leave her and go back home.
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posted on
04/25/2009 7:31:19 AM PDT
by
muawiyah
To: CommonJudge
According to my sources:
A non-citizen that is eligible to join the military must meet certain requirements: (1) Have an Alien Registration Receipt Card (stamped I-94 or I-551 Green card/INS Form 1-551), (2) Have a bona fide residence established, and (3) Have established a record of the U.S. as their home.
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posted on
04/25/2009 7:31:46 AM PDT
by
frankenMonkey
(www.citizendirect.org - this domain name for sale)
To: greyfoxx39
Well, finally the Mormon and Catholic heirachy have something in common......aiding and abetting illegal aliens.
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posted on
04/25/2009 7:37:14 AM PDT
by
AuntB
(The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
To: thecabal
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posted on
04/25/2009 7:38:28 AM PDT
by
AuntB
(The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
To: AuntB
Well, finally the Mormon and Catholic heirachy have something in common......aiding and abetting illegal aliens. As I understand it, the Catholics are up-front about it, providing sanctuaries. And if the Catholic creed expressly states "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." I am unaware of it.
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posted on
04/25/2009 7:53:13 AM PDT
by
greyfoxx39
(Obama....never saw a Bush molehill he couldn't make a mountain out of.......)
To: Edward Watson
. Our 12th Article of Faith isnt a blind statement - German Mormons didnt use it as an excuse to exterminate the Jews despite Hitlers extermination order was the law of the land.
I wouldn't boast about the nazis and the LDS church if I were you. The LDS germans co-existed quite nicely with the nazis.
"In their eagerness to coexist with the [Nazi] government, American officials of the German Church resorted to public relation efforts . . . Probably the clearest example of this tendency is an article by West German Mission President Alfred C. Rees entitled 'In the Land of the Mormons.' The article appeared in a special issue of the Nazi Party organ Der Volkische Beobachter dated April 14 1937. In the Editor's Preface to the article, President Rees is called 'the representative of the Church in Germany,' who 'paints for our readers a portrait of Mormonism today, a church which views the New Germany with sympathy and friendship.' Whether President Rees originally wrote the article in German or not, the language of the piece abounds in such loaded terms as Volk and Rasse (race), and a picture of Brigham Young bears the caption, 'Fuhrer der historischen Mormonenpioniere.' But the significance of these linguistic gaffes is magnified by hindsight. More disturbing is the way President Rees blatantly parallels Mormonism with Nazism. As Rees warms to his topic, Mormonism begins to sound like a fulfillment of Nazi teachings, providing 'the practical realization of the German ideal: "the common good takes precedence over the individual good."' Rees concluded by assuring his readers that 'Mormons are people who put this healthy doctrine into action.' Reading articles such as this, it would have been easy for a German Saint to mistakenly conclude that the seal of official Church approval had been placed on the Nazi regime."
- Alan F. Keele and Douglas F. Tobler, The Fuhrers New Clothes: Helmuth Huebner and the Mormons in the Third Reich, Sunstone, v. 5, no. 6, pp. 20-29
"[The Mormon] policy of appeasing the Nazis worked well until the war broke out. Despite the classification of Mormonism as a sect 'dangerous to the state
' according to Gestapo reports, the Church was not summarily dissolved as many others were. The missionaries remained; the Church continued. Even during the war, Mormon life was disrupted more by bombing raids, supply shortages, and travel restrictions than by official harassment. By and large, the German Saints lived through the Thousand-Year Reich much like the rest of their countrymen."
- Alan F. Keele and Douglas F. Tobler, The Fuhrers New Clothes: Helmuth Huebner and the Mormons in the Third Reich, Sunstone, v. 5, no. 6, pp. 20-29
Mormon Quotes
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posted on
04/25/2009 8:08:50 AM PDT
by
greyfoxx39
(Obama....never saw a Bush molehill he couldn't make a mountain out of.......)
To: svxdave; Tainan
Our Church is very conscious of its image and of doing the right thing. When things like this happen, it allows Mormon Haters to burst forth and to join with those who are conscious of our border problem, such as me. Since I have been subjected to bigotry most of my life...#1, isn't it to automatically label all followers of Christian sects as apostate sects;
to label all their professing believers "corrupt";
all their creeds "an abomination" before the Lord [Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith - History, vv. 18-20]
-- isn't that intolerably "bigoted?"
#2, If somebody is wrong re: as to accuse others of being "hate-filled" when they aren't, doesn't that come closer to "hate" than to "love?"
Our Church is very conscious of its image and of doing the right thing. When things like this happen...
Did you mean when things like this happen -- or when things like this are FOUND OUT? (Especially in light of post #15?)
To: greyfoxx39
AS a point of history, you might want to examine the case of
poor Helmuth. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmuth_H%C3%BCbener)
Quote for the time
“First, we killl all the Jews, then we start with the Mormons...”
In that, they were not unlike the Americans who seem to enjoy killing mormons....
History is only maliable to the observer.
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posted on
04/25/2009 11:05:41 AM PDT
by
ASOC
To: Colofornian
“In light of Post # 15”:
The Mormon Church is comprised of volunteers. Nearly every member has a “calling”. Mine is to serve as an Employment Specialist in assisting members and non members find jobs. I have never knowingly placed an illegal in any position. Further, I live in Phoenix and our construction industry is struggling. Illegals are not sucking up the jobs here.
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posted on
04/25/2009 11:10:59 AM PDT
by
svxdave
(Life is too short to wear a fake Rolex.)
To: frankenMonkey
From the article: That triggered fears in the undocumented LDS community in Utah, and already prompted a change in how one Utah missionary returned home. The young man, a Salt Lake Valley resident, completed a mission in Oklahoma and was scheduled to return home two days after church leaders heard of the unrelated arrest in Ohio. The mission president contacted local Utah church leaders, and it was decided the missionary’s uncle would drive out to Oklahoma to bring the missionary home, which he did.
“The travel department of the church has to rethink everything. Things have changed, and they need a whole new policy,” said a local church official who was aware of the situation. “With ICE [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] hitting them at the bus terminals and airports, this opens a whole new discussion. I don’t know how many undocumented immigrants we have serving missions, but I’m sure this is going to repeat itself.”
LDS Church leaders have had evolving policies on how to keep undocumented missionaries safe. But this is the first time Holland has heard of a missionary being arrested by immigration officials while serving.
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So now they are aiding and abetting criminals? What happend to “We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.” (12th Article of Faith).
The missionaries are breaking the law by being here illegally.
IF a potential missionary were continuing to break ANY OTHER law then they would not be considered “worthy” to go on a mission.
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posted on
04/25/2009 11:33:16 AM PDT
by
reaganaut
(When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
To: svxdave
ok, but SLC signs off on all mission calls. Why is SLC not using the “spirit of discernment”?
Real easy way to stop this. Require a SSN on the mission call forms.
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posted on
04/25/2009 11:35:06 AM PDT
by
reaganaut
(When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
To: svxdave; Zakeet
Mormons are not polygamists
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Well, not ANYMORE. At least in this life.
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posted on
04/25/2009 11:41:26 AM PDT
by
reaganaut
(When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
To: svxdave; Colofornian
The LDS Church is not a Sanctuary Church.
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Apparently their Mission policies show otherwise.
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posted on
04/25/2009 11:43:28 AM PDT
by
reaganaut
(When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
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